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    15 53.57%
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  • Be included in Presidential debates?

    10 35.71%
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    4 14.29%
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That would be nice, but unfortunately, there's a mindset in this country that there are only two choices. All or nothing. Black or white. You're either for us, or against us. Very few people are willing to live and let live. In this country, politics has become a religion of sorts.
    Maybe religion. I think it's become more a closed off system to competition which encourages emotional response and discourages intellectual evaluation.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Just my two cents as a European:

    You need a different electoral system that gives third (and fourth) parties a chance.

    I know France is not popular, but maybe the Presidentials could be modelled after their example: Have a first turn when all candidates are running (from both sides) and a second turn when the two best of the first get a run-off.

    Or change from "the winner takes it all" to proportional representation.
    This is a great point. I was completely amazed when I first saw how the German electoral system worked. There was a plethora of political parties, not a stagnant left and right. Parties die out, and new ones take their place. Proportional representation after 5% of the vote, so even the little guys can get their representation.

    In our country if you're not with the majority, you have no voice.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick2253 View Post
    The libertarian party is not nearly as well known as you postulate. Many people struggle simply to name to two major parties in the US. Just because it is easy to Google doesn't mean people know about it. By that logic everyone should know everything on the Internet.
    I've never met anyone who was not aware of the platform of the LP.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I've never met anyone who was not aware of the platform of the LP.
    I think it depends on where you look. Academia there's a lot of libertarians out there and you get exposed to them, same as political boards. But when you detach from those sects and get perchance more into "common" America, the platform is well unknown and misunderstood more than anything else.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think it depends on where you look. Academia there's a lot of libertarians out there and you get exposed to them, same as political boards. But when you detach from those sects and get perchance more into "common" America, the platform is well unknown and misunderstood more than anything else.
    Again, I have never met anyone here in Virginia, not a hotbed for liberalism, that is not aware of the Libertarian platform.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That would be nice, but unfortunately, there's a mindset in this country that there are only two choices. All or nothing. Black or white. You're either for us, or against us. Very few people are willing to live and let live. In this country, politics has become a religion of sorts.
    Yes, I noticed that and found it unfortunate. It would be better if you had more than just two parties to chose from.

    But Europe, or Germany in particular, is not flawless either, of course. You often see a certain consensus among the established parties and a lack of polarization (especially during the "grand coalition" of the two large parties from left and right 2005-2009) that made many people believe all established parties are the same anyway. So they either abstained from voting, or voted for the outsiders, be that the socialist Left Party or the newcoming Pirate Party.

    A certain degree of polarization is probably not a bad thing. Maybe we have too much of it in America, but too few of it in Germany.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Again, I have never met anyone here in Virginia, not a hotbed for liberalism, that is not aware of the Libertarian platform.
    Fair enough. I have seen places where it's well known and where it's not well know at all.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Yes, I noticed that and found it unfortunate. It would be better if you had more than just two parties to chose from.

    But Europe, or Germany in particular, is not flawless either, of course. You often see a certain consensus among the established parties and a lack of polarization (especially during the "grand coalition" of the two large parties from left and right 2005-2009) that made many people believe all established parties are the same anyway. So they either abstained from voting, or voted for the outsiders, be that the socialist Left Party or the newcoming Pirate Party.

    A certain degree of polarization is probably not a bad thing. Maybe we have too much of it in America, but too few of it in Germany.
    The political polarization in American politics is sickening and dangerous.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    This is a great point. I was completely amazed when I first saw how the German electoral system worked. There was a plethora of political parties, not a stagnant left and right. Parties die out, and new ones take their place. Proportional representation after 5% of the vote, so even the little guys can get their representation.

    In our country if you're not with the majority, you have no voice.
    I really like the German system. But it also has its flaws. It can give small or even tiny parties an overproportional amount of power. Between 1965 and 1983, the libertarian FDP, for example, was in the comfortable situation to either chose the major left-wing or right-wing party as their coalition partner. So a party of 5% to 10% of the votes had the power to decide whether the government would be center-left or center-right.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Again, I have never met anyone here in Virginia, not a hotbed for liberalism, that is not aware of the Libertarian platform.
    From my personal experience, the majority of average americans are completely ignorant to everything that isn't force fed to them via fox news or CNN, and because these agencies rarely, if ever, mention libertarianism, they are then left in the dark about it.

    Or maybe I just need to surround myself with more intellectual people.
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