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  • Elect a President without a base?

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  • Be included in Presidential debates?

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  • Carry 10%+ of the Presidental popular vote?

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    so.... 2022, then?
    Hard to say. It depends on the idiocy of our present and future politicians in the interim.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Even if it were more in the spotlight, the tenants of libertarianism wouldn't be that well received, in my opinion.
    Many libertarians don't offer simplistic, single solution cure alls.

    It's just not gonna be as popular, until people become better problem solvers.
    The bolded isn't gonna happen until people are forced to do so, because there is no government solution.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Explaining anything to you, is a fruitless en devour.
    Any and every time, a thread on libertarians or libertarianism comes up, you trot your way in to insult all said members.

    Why should I waste my time on someone with an ax to grind?
    You could look at it as missionary work just like most libertarians posting on internet message boards.

    btw - where did I insult anybody?
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    When it comes to your critique of the libertarian party, you emulate Navy Pride's argument style. Clear enough?
    I really do not pay much attention to him or his posts. Nor do I care to study him or his posts.

    So NO, its not clear at all.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    What does Libertarian Party (party, not individuals) need to happen for them to move forward in their agenda and helping the country?

    There are some who are so anti-libertarian that they will never give the notion an objective chance, but they will post here anyway. *sigh*. Personally, while I used to be libertarian, I no longer consider myself to be so, yet I still hold many of the ideals. Where they lose me is the utter lack of understanding of human nature, but be that as it may, there's a great deal of the philosophy that I still like. Anyway...

    If libertarian philosophy and the Libertarian Party is to move forward and actually effect change, what has to happen? I'm speaking primarily for this year and in this year's November elections.

    1. Develop a base? I.e.: local, state, Congress, etc. offices first?
    2. Elect a President without a base?
    3. Be included in Presidential debates?
    4. Carry 10%+ of the popular vote in the Presidential election?
    5. Other?

    To me, the Libertarian Party's biggest roadblock is itself. It doesn't organize locally. It doesn't build from the ground up. It would have to become what it loathes... a political organization that plays the game... in order to expand beyond the fringes. This is really the catch-22, isn't it? Compromise to gain access and change, or remain loyal to ideals and remain irrelevant.

    Note: This link is just meant as a reference for the thread... Gary Johnson 2.0: the Libertarians
    First it needs to work on it's PR. Very few people in America even know what libertarianism is about. This is largely due to the fact that the media gives them zero attention, and the media gives them zero attention because they don't have a base. It's a vicious cycle.

    The problem plaguing us Libertarians can be summed up with Ron Paul:
    - Not enough pandering and lying to the American people, because that's all the majority of the idiots in this country understand
    - Not enough slick backed hair and cheese-dick smiles for the audience.

    Two of the very big reasons I support the Libertarian party are two big reasons why they can't get their name out. I find it very infuriating to talk to people like my dad who share very similar political beliefs, and who believes the republicans are screwing us, but will continue to vote for Romney because of the "Anyone but Obama" attitude.

    We'll never move past a two party system until people abandon this notion that third parties will never win and that they must choose between a lying bastard and a terrible POS.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    First it needs to work on it's PR. Very few people in America even know what libertarianism is about. This is largely due to the fact that the media gives them zero attention, and the media gives them zero attention because they don't have a base. It's a vicious cycle.
    I think there are very few that are not familiar with the Libertarian platform. Its really not that hard to Google.

    Platform | Libertarian Party

    The problem is that it is too extreme for the majority of voters.

    The far left and the far right have the same problem as Libertarians in that regard, which is why moderates get elected.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I really do not pay much attention to him or his posts. Nor do I care to study him or his posts.

    So NO, its not clear at all.
    Horrible political hack. Is THAT clear enough for you?
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I think there are very few that are not familiar with the Libertarian platform. Its really not that hard to Google.

    Platform | Libertarian Party

    The problem is that it is too extreme for the majority of voters.

    The far left and the far right have the same problem as Libertarians in that regard, which is why moderates get elected.
    The libertarian party is not nearly as well known as you postulate. Many people struggle simply to name to two major parties in the US. Just because it is easy to Google doesn't mean people know about it. By that logic everyone should know everything on the Internet.

    The LP's problem is not that it is extreme. In fact, most of the positions that the LP has were one time or another a party plank of either Dems or Repubs. The problem in that regard is that the LP is absolutist. The platform is what it is, and there's not a lot of room for people who disagree with this or that.

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Just my two cents as a European:

    You need a different electoral system that gives third (and fourth) parties a chance.

    I know France is not popular, but maybe the Presidentials could be modelled after their example: Have a first turn when all candidates are running (from both sides) and a second turn when the two best of the first get a run-off.

    Or change from "the winner takes it all" to proportional representation.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Just my two cents as a European:

    You need a different electoral system that gives third (and fourth) parties a chance.

    I know France is not popular, but maybe the Presidentials could be modelled after their example: Have a first turn when all candidates are running (from both sides) and a second turn when the two best of the first get a run-off.

    Or change from "the winner takes it all" to proportional representation.
    That would be nice, but unfortunately, there's a mindset in this country that there are only two choices. All or nothing. Black or white. You're either for us, or against us. Very few people are willing to live and let live. In this country, politics has become a religion of sorts.
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