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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Where is the dishonesty in the fact that China must endorse all new leaders in Hong Kong? And what attracts you to that kind of control by others?

    I thought Libertarians were all about freedom and lack of government control, I would think especially by another country.
    Hong Kong is a sort of city state, it operates on the principle of "one country, two systems."
    Something you'd have already known, had you read the article.

    The system of governance in Hong Kong is much different from mainland China, where the government has elections and the system operates on "positive non interventionism."
    Another thing you'd have learned, had you read more about Hong Kong.

    Again, taking things out of context, cherry picking your criticisms, without learning anything else about the how the country actually operates, will lead you to these superficial conclusions.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Hong Kong is a sort of city state, it operates on the principle of "one country, two systems."
    Something you'd have already known, had you read the article.

    The system of governance in Hong Kong is much different from mainland China, where the government has elections and the system operates on "positive non interventionism."
    Another thing you'd have learned, had you read more about Hong Kong.

    Again, taking things out of context, cherry picking your criticisms, without learning anything else about the how the country actually operates, will lead you to these superficial conclusions.

    Got it, Hong Kong is your ideal. I'm very happy for you!

    "Hong Kong’s existential worries flow from a nagging awareness that the city’s destiny doesn’t lie in its own hands, but rather in those of remote mainland politicians."

    Why Mainland Worries Hong Kong | The Diplomat
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Got it, Hong Kong is your ideal. I'm very happy for you!

    "Hong Kong’s existential worries flow from a nagging awareness that the city’s destiny doesn’t lie in its own hands, but rather in those of remote mainland politicians."

    Why Mainland Worries Hong Kong | The Diplomat
    Well isn't that really true for every single place in the world?

    I mean, if the federal government wanted to, they could drastically change the economic landscape of any city, town, county, state, region.
    So your criticism of Hong Kong, is true for just about any place in the world.

    I'm sorry but that's kinda weak.
    Or are you arguing that less centralized control, should be done world wide?
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well isn't that really true for every single place in the world?

    I mean, if the federal government wanted to, they could drastically change the economic landscape of any city, town, county, state, region.
    So your criticism of Hong Kong, is true for just about any place in the world.

    I'm sorry but that's kinda weak.
    Or are you arguing that less centralized control, should be done world wide?
    The US does not have to have its elected leaders endorsed by another country.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The US does not have to have its elected leaders endorsed by another country.
    Neither does Hong Kong.
    It is, part of China.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    "Casey cites Hong Kong as an example of a thriving free market economy based on Libertarian principles. Established by the government of China. Established by the government, really? I thought libertarians didn’t believe in government interference in the market? There is an awkward silence. Hong Kong, as it happens, also has a greater gap between rich and poor than even America does.What I find ironic about libertarianism is that even though it claims to place supreme emphasis on the wellbeing of the individual, it is ultimately businesses that would benefit the most under a libertarian system. Low corporate taxes would enable the economy to thrive at a high cost to those individuals who struggle to enjoy their freedom because they can’t really afford to eat or go to the doctor.

    I am not the first person to make these arguments and neither will I be the last. A practical application of the purest form of libertarianism would be disastrous — the same is true of most political ideologies. “Got freedom?” Casey asks us every week. But does he ever stop to think about the price to be paid for freedom?"

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Neither does Hong Kong.
    It is, part of China.
    And Libertarianism and Communism go together like bread and butter?
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Hell to freeze over.
    The flame that is between us could set every soul on fire. I would love to take that heat and let's fill the whole world with desire.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Casey cites Hong Kong as an example of a thriving free market economy based on Libertarian principles. Established by the government of China. Established by the government, really? I thought libertarians didn’t believe in government interference in the market? There is an awkward silence. Hong Kong, as it happens, also has a greater gap between rich and poor than even America does.What I find ironic about libertarianism is that even though it claims to place supreme emphasis on the wellbeing of the individual, it is ultimately businesses that would benefit the most under a libertarian system. Low corporate taxes would enable the economy to thrive at a high cost to those individuals who struggle to enjoy their freedom because they can’t really afford to eat or go to the doctor.

    I am not the first person to make these arguments and neither will I be the last. A practical application of the purest form of libertarianism would be disastrous — the same is true of most political ideologies. “Got freedom?” Casey asks us every week. But does he ever stop to think about the price to be paid for freedom?"

    Casey
    Sigh, another superficial understanding of libertarianism.
    Libertarianism ≠ anarchy.

    Do you know what surrounds Hong Kong?
    The rest of China, were there are very poor people that immigrate into Hong Kong, legally or illegally.

    Casey is a moron.
    This person uses hyperbolic descriptions of the libertarians philosophy, to define his/her position.
    Which on it's face, makes the argument made defunct.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And Libertarianism and Communism go together like bread and butter?
    Umm, you're still making leaps here.
    Do you even understand, how Hong Kong operates?
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