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    15 53.57%
  • Elect a President without a base?

    0 0%
  • Be included in Presidential debates?

    10 35.71%
  • Carry 10%+ of the Presidental popular vote?

    4 14.29%
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Well, it's been a dictatorship that uses slave labor. That's a pretty intrusive state.
    That is attributable to the type of government, not the size of the government. The US government has dwarfed the size of the government in Sierra Leone for most of our history, yet do not have a dictatorship that uses slave labor.

    Somalia is not equatable to libertarian small government as Sierra Leone is not equatable to a "big government" scenario.
    How do you figure that?

    Somalia has most of what Libertarians say they want - small government, lax regulation, freedom of gun ownership, and very low tax rates.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    You can't overthrow a private organization. Government are usually responsible to the people, and if they mess up, they go down. Private corporations are only responsible to their shareholders. Try overthrowing a corporation sometime. Tell me how many seconds before the police come and stop you?
    Try overthrowing a country sometime. Tell me how many seconds before the police come and stop you?
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That is attributable to the type of government, not the size of the government. The US government has dwarfed the size of the government in Sierra Leone for most of our history, yet do not have a dictatorship that uses slave labor.



    How do you figure that?

    Somalia has most of what Libertarians say they want - small government, lax regulation, freedom of gun ownership, and very low tax rates.
    Somalia is a third-world nation that was ruled by a Stalinist dictatorship until twenty years ago. An anarchic United States or Holland or Japan would probably not be a replicate of conditions in anarchic Somalia, for hopefully obvious reasons.

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Keep in mind the word "Libertarian" has been co-oped by the far right.

    Does anyone even know what it means anymore?

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Keep in mind the word "Libertarian" has been co-oped by the far right.

    Does anyone even know what it means anymore?
    If you mean what I think you mean by "far right", I would argue that libertarianism (as I understand it) was never co-opted in the first place because it's inherently a "far-right" ideology.

    But then, I know many left-libertarians I respect would disagree with me.

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Somalia is a third-world nation that was ruled by a Stalinist dictatorship until twenty years ago.
    But they have no central government now, little regulation, freedom of gun ownership, very low tax rates, and no health insurance mandate.


    What country do you prefer that has a more Libertarian-like government than Somalia?
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    But they have no central government now, little regulation, freedom of gun ownership, very low tax rates, and no health insurance mandate.


    What country do you prefer that has a more Libertarian-like government than Somalia?
    My point is that anarchic Somalia would be a very different place if not for Italian and Russian imperialism, and it's sub-Saharan location. Somalia owes its poor living conditions to those things more than anything else, IMO.

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    But they have no central government now, little regulation, freedom of gun ownership, very low tax rates, and no health insurance mandate.


    What country do you prefer that has a more Libertarian-like government than Somalia?
    That's anarchy, not libertarianism. What people tend to forget is that most libertarians are for a very strong judicial system. Besides, with something like somalia, you can't polish a turd. I challenge you to bring any system to that hell hole and show me your progress.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    What does Libertarian Party (party, not individuals) need to happen for them to move forward in their agenda and helping the country?
    Other: Rebuild their image, and distance themselves as far away from the extremists as possible.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    But your zany political philosophy is so eminently insultable, how can we be blamed?
    That's definitely true.
    If your among the most partisan individuals, where you either, don't have the brain power to understand or you purposefully distort it for your own political gain.
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