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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Drop ANY mention of legalizing drugs. Focus on states rights, roles, and responsibilities. Promote return to constitutional form of government. Adopt intelligent and reasonable foreign policy stands. Oh...and it would help to CONTINUALLY point out the 16 trillion dollar debt and annual deficits that the two primary parties have saddled the country with and their completely inept manner.
    Legalizing drugs is the most realistic part of their platform. And it will also get them the youth vote.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Well, it's a good example of the restrictive cost argument.

    You sure that oil wouldn't be the dominant fuel if not for government-funded monopolization? I can't really buy that...
    Lets say the government never assisted in the parts around it, cars(subsidies dating back to the Model T) never paved roads,never assisted in the creation of oil based products, and never assisted many of the large oil companies to get off the ground. What do you think would of happened? Most likely it would still occur that oil would be mined but the usefulness of it would of never gotten to the same output and the demand would of never taken hold at anywhere near the same level. I don't know if it would still be monopoly but I do know the pull on people would be far less important than it is.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Legalizing drugs is the most realistic part of their platform. And it will also get them the youth vote.
    If that's the most realistic, they're even more pathetic than I thought.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Wow! Hyperbole much?
    Sadly...no...not at all.

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    If that's the most realistic, they're even more pathetic than I thought.
    Unfortunately, it probably is the most realistic, because most people can't imagine living without the heavy hand of government shoving them along, and promising to take care of them in their infirmity. We've essentially replaced the family with Uncle Sam.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    What does Libertarian Party (party, not individuals) need to happen for them to move forward in their agenda and helping the country?
    It doesn't matter what happens.

    From what I'm learning from the other libertarian-natured thread currently in play, there simply aren't enough people in America that can identify with the libertarian ideology for there to ever be enough Libertarian Party members to have a sufficiently powerful effect.

    This is especially true gender-wise, as libertarianism does appear to show a significant gender preference by males and rejection by females. Libertarianism's social freedom emphasis is opposed by conservative women, and libertarianism's economic freedom is opposed by liberal women. Considering that there are still a significant number of men who are either socially and economically liberal or socially and economically conservative, they're not likely to switch over to libertarianism.

    And if the Libertarian party made all the platform changes suggested by a number of posters in this thread, it would simply cease to be the "Libertarian" Party.

    As a power player, I really think the Libertarian Party won't get any stronger.

    That probably accounts for why so many libertarians glommbed on to the right of the Republican conservative wing in 2010, their success accounted for partly because of the Republican name that drew those Republicans who were not philosophical libertarians into voting for them and partly because of the Dems' inability to solve the economic crisis.

    Though most Americans don't calibrate politically at either wing, the great majority residing at or near the center of the political spectrum, most of them are still registered Dem or Repub where at least they don't experiencing being politically insignificant, and they aren't likely to switch over to a party that's not likely to ever be a player unless they have a sudden attack of either uncontrolled idealism or party self-hatred (the Perot's in 1992 and the Greens in 2000).

    In addition, libertarianism's nature, of being left-wing on social issues and right-wing on economic issues, still makes it wingish, and the great majority who are at or near the center of the political spectrum are there because they simply are't drawn to wing philosophy.

    I think the Libertarian Party is done.

    Only a new centrist party has any chance of taking the great majority at the center and "splitting the uprights", so to speak, in a divide and conquering of the liberal Dems and conservative Repubs. If you are more interested in power than ideology, that's the route to take.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Unfortunately, it probably is the most realistic, because most people can't imagine living without the heavy hand of government shoving them along, and promising to take care of them in their infirmity. We've essentially replaced the family with Uncle Sam.
    Costs across the board have skyrocketed while real wages have remained stagnant for the past 40 years. The increasing utilization of social welfare programs is an effect of this, not a cause. To call for anything less than a complete restructuring of these programs to respond to this problem and deal with the growing number of people that require these programs is absurd.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Well, by that argument; how's that big government thing working out for the people of Sierra Leone?

    Apples to oranges, I'm afraid.
    What are the problems attributable to the size of the government in Sierra Leone?
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What are the problems attributable to the size of the government in Sierra Leone?
    Well, it's been a dictatorship that uses slave labor. That's a pretty intrusive state.

    Somalia is not equatable to libertarian small government as Sierra Leone is not equatable to a "big government" scenario.

    I'm trying to say your comparison wasn't accurate.

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    The only way the libertarian party will become any kind of force in US policy is if they change their platform and how they present themselves.

    The Libertarian platform is not something that people are going to adopt in numbers nearly as highly as democratic or republican platforms. It goes too far in too many places to be popular. Without popular support, the Libertarian party is dead in the water. The other thing it does is cross common ideological lines. Pro-abortion rights and pro-laissez-faire economics means there is something for every one to hate.

    Presentation is probably the biggest thing however. Lets look at Ron Paul, the most recognizable person associated with the Libertarians. What are the two biggest issues associated with him? Auditing the fed and a gold type standard for currency. Almost no one cares about those issues. Paul starts droning on about the usual crap he talks about and people tune out in droves. If people do not think the LP cares about the same things they do, they are not going to support it.

    Without those fundamental changes, which would admittedly make it not the LP, then they are never going to be anything more than a fringe group. And that is not the fault of the two big parties, it is not the fault of the media, it is not because people are stupid, it is because the LP simply does not represent the values and issues of many people. It is their own fault.
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