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Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia?

Where would you rather live

  • Nazi Germany

    Votes: 15 50.0%

  • Soviet Russia

    Votes: 15 50.0%
  • Total voters
    30
Many of the answers so far reflect the relative naivete regarding both times/places. Common (mis-)perception says Nazi Germany was worse, when in fact both were pretty much the same regarding oppression and the possibility of being whisked away and never seen by your family again, with only relatively minor differences as in which specific groups were targeted. Stalin wasn't any better than Hitler, he was just our ally (out of necessity), that's all.
 
I would much rather live in a corrupt communist state than one that is fueled by hatred for everyone else.
 
On second thought, I'd say Nazi Germany.

Why? cause I surely would have done my utmost best to kill that son of a bitch, Adolf Schiklegruber.
 
Thunder said:
The Nazis murdered around 12 million civilians, not 6.
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Ok again no argument from me....I said 6...someone else said 20million...you say 12.....I mean none of the numbers make me like them
 
Hare said:
How about 20 million?
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Yes, you are correct. It was only 6 million jews. When you take into account the number of Russian civilians and civilians of other nations murdered by Hitler, the figure does approach 20 million - including most of the Russian POW's taken by the Germans.
 
Wiggen said:
Yes, you are correct. It was only 6 million jews. When you take into account the number of Russian civilians and civilians of other nations murdered by Hitler, the figure does approach 20 million - including most of the Russian POW's taken by the Germans.
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Thats precisely what I was stating the holocaust and the jews they slaughtered...others were killied during war....americans killed civilians and so did the rest of europe and anyone in the war...the nazis targeted selected and slaughtered....but the total isnt important...its the mentality that allowed them to be able to do that....
 
Germany. I'm tall, blonde and blue-eyed, I'd survive the government.
 
The question isn't really specific. NAZI Germany had a range of overarching policies that existed throughout the period of NAZI rule, whereas the USSR under Stalin had no such thing. Life in the USSR was completely different between, say, 1929 and 1939, or even 1929 and 1935.

The level of persecution, the general welfare of the citizenry, the freedom of expression, the extent of the secret police, pretty much everything changed significantly in very short periods of time throughout Stalin's rule, so it's not really a valid comparison.
 
Easy, nazi germany would be better.

The chance of getting killed is probably higher in Soviet, especially for a non-communist like me. Also, you could leave Nazi germany, it was illegal to leave soviet. You could pick your own job in Nazi Germany. In Soviet, you got allocated a job. Also, the standard of living was far superior in Nazi Germany.
 
The Nazis would have killed me for being a Jew.

The Soviets would have killed me for being a Jew.

Even if I wasn't a Jew, I would have demanding democacy & freedom in the USSR, so they would have killed me.
 
Don't see as how it makes much difference. I'd be morally obligated to fight either government, so I'm dead either way.
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
Don't see as how it makes much difference. I'd be morally obligated to fight either government, so I'm dead either way.
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The USSR would have killed me because Stalin was a paranoid dick, and had any dissenters (anyone that wasn't a speechless automaton) sent to camps, or shot.

Would have died in Germany because I have issues with cops and judges. Had I ever gone before Freisler, I probably would have told the little **** that I ****ed his wife.
 
So the real choice is who would you rather engage against Nazi's or Commie's? Certainly only proponents would seriously choose one over the other as a better choice to reside in. Those opposed would choose based on who would be the easier to beat. Since the Nazi's lost and were much smaller of an country with less resources i suppose I would chose to fight the Nazi's. But since there would be a choice somehow between the two it would most likely mean that after conquering one that the next would follow. In that case since the Societs are known for taking advantage of other countries when things are thin. It would be logical to attack the Commie's first. Or we could repeat history and use the Commie's to help conquer the Nazis then play it by ear afterwards. Perhaps infiltrate the Soviets and start a revolution and the critical time during the war against the Nazis.

Or order pizza and get some beer and watch a movie Im undecided.
 
Lokiate said:
The USSR would have killed me because Stalin was a paranoid dick, and had any dissenters (anyone that wasn't a speechless automaton) sent to camps, or shot.
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This isn't completely true. Ordinary citizens regularly spoke out against the government, the state and even Stalin. Various publications poked fun at these institutions/organizations/individuals, and many people even publicly, vocally hoped that Stalin would die and said that he was ruining the country.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
This isn't completely true. Ordinary citizens regularly spoke out against the government, the state and even Stalin. Various publications poked fun at these institutions/organizations/individuals, and many people even publicly, vocally hoped that Stalin would die and said that he was ruining the country.
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Sure and Glavnoye Upravleniye Lagere (Gulag) never existed right? You cannot just pretend that Socialist Realism was not in full force. Sure you can speak out against Stalin if you didnt value your family who would be sent with you to to prison. That is if you lived that long. Writers that refused to comply to Socialist Realism such as Babel and Pilnyak, were executed or died in labour camps.

In fact I will be as bold as to say that you are distorting history and engaging in propaganda. No one was free to do anything under Stalin that is fact not the fiction that you are trying to present.
 
Many people here seem to think that the original question presumes time travel. You do know that, unless time travel is involved, the chances of you being the same person then and there vs the self-proclaimed 'freedom fighter' person you are here and now is pretty much nil, right?
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Sure you can speak out against Stalin if you didnt value your family who would be sent with you to to prison.
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It has been well documented in Harvard Project interviews, in letters to relatives and even the Soviet government, in documentation of public events and discussions (through the NKVD and others), and even in official state publications (Krokodil being the most prominent) that mockery of the government/state and criticism of its organizations/policies/individuals/propaganda was commonplace.

What you don't understand is that the prosecution of such individuals was arbitrary; some were indicted and sent to GULag camps for years, while others weren't even pursued by the authorities even after publicly making such statements. Krokodil as a state-sanctioned publication openly mocked the state on a regular basis.

That is if you lived that long. Writers that refused to comply to Socialist Realism such as Babel and Pilnyak, were executed or died in labour camps.
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Using Babel and Pilnyak to discuss the experience of common Soviet citizens in their everyday lives is absurd.

No one was free to do anything under Stalin that is fact not the fiction that you are trying to present.
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I have plenty of sources, both primary and secondary. Check out Everyday Stalinism by Sheila Fitzpatrick which deals with this exact subject, for starters.
 
JusticeForSome? said:
Where would you rather live, and why?
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If I was part of the ruling or privileged class or party it probably wouldn't matter. If I was the target of the ruling class it probably still wouldn't matter.

This is another one of those "do you want your testicles smashed with the red or the green five pound sledge hammer".
 
radcen said:
Many people here seem to think that the original question presumes time travel. You do know that, unless time travel is involved, the chances of you being the same person then and there vs the self-proclaimed 'freedom fighter' person you are here and now is pretty much nil, right?
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Well, Hell, if we're not supposed to answer the question as us, who are we supposed to be when we answer the question?

I took a quiz once on who you'd be in Nazi Germany. Of course, the idea is that everyone thinks they're la Resistance but most people would have just been ordinary law-abiding and genocide-enabling volk. The quiz is supposed to open your eyes to the banality of human evil.

Me? I scored as der Kommandant. I'm not a 'freedom fighter'. I'm just sealed evil in can answering a question about what I'd do if I lived in a world of can openers.
 
Why can't there be other options?

I don't think any person would want to live in those places during those times.
 
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