View Poll Results: Choose three social programs(3 only)

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  • Universal Healthcare

    15 62.50%
  • Education/k-12 + 4 years higher ed

    16 66.67%
  • Emergency welfare/medical/unemployment benefits

    9 37.50%
  • Social Security/medical for elderly/retired

    12 50.00%
  • Disability/medical services and benefits

    9 37.50%
  • Veterans/medical services and benefits

    10 41.67%
  • Planned Parenthood services

    5 20.83%
  • Arts&Entertainment/PBS funding

    4 16.67%
  • Emergency corporate/economy bailout fund

    4 16.67%
  • Illegal Alien emergency assistance and services

    1 4.17%
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Thread: Is Limited Socialism Possible In A Capitalist Economy?

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    Is Limited Socialism Possible In A Capitalist Economy?

    My observations tell me that Socialism is never satisfied in a limited capacity and will forever be attempting to grow and spread.

    The Free Dictionary defines Socialism as;
    "Marxist theory- the first stage in the transition from capitalism to communism, marked by imperfect realizations of collectivist principles"

    For this reason, I have always been against all federally funded social programs because I fear what socialism invariably leads to.

    For the sake of argument, let's suppose that a compromise was reached that allowed for only three specific taxpayer funded social programs with the elimination of all others.

    Which 3 of the 10 programs defined in the poll would you choose???

    (1) Universal Healthcare
    (2) Education/K-12 + 4 years higher-ed
    (3) Emergency & unemployment benefits
    (4) Social Security retirement/senior citizens
    (5) Disability services/benefits
    (6) Veterans services/benefits
    (7) Planned Parenthood services
    (8) Arts&Entertainment/PBS
    (9) Emergency corporate/economy bailouts
    (10) Illegal Alien assistance programs
    (programs for american citizens only with the exception of #10)
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    Re: Is Limited Socialism Possible In A Capitalist Economy?

    Why can i only choose 3? What are any of these going to lead to if we have all of them?


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    Re: Is Limited Socialism Possible In A Capitalist Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Why can i only choose 3? What are any of these going to lead to if we have all of them?
    I think that was her 'point', such as it was.

    There's no such thing as a purely capitalistic society-- even the most minimal government functions needed in order to maintain a capitalist market economy, such as law enforcement and the court system, are supported by the taxpayer for the benefit of all. Thus in order for a society to even be recognizable as a society, it must have socialistic elements-- just like for a society to have any of the benefits of a modern, industrialized society, it must have capitalistic elements.

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    Re: Is Limited Socialism Possible In A Capitalist Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I think that was her 'point', such as it was.

    There's no such thing as a purely capitalistic society-- even the most minimal government functions needed in order to maintain a capitalist market economy, such as law enforcement and the court system, are supported by the taxpayer for the benefit of all. Thus in order for a society to even be recognizable as a society, it must have socialistic elements-- just like for a society to have any of the benefits of a modern, industrialized society, it must have capitalistic elements.
    I agree!

    I was wondering why she left out one of the basics and it's, more or less, right in the Constitution - roads.
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    Re: Is Limited Socialism Possible In A Capitalist Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    My observations tell me that Socialism is never satisfied in a limited capacity and will forever be attempting to grow and spread.
    That is because it is the path of least resistance, which is why it also ultimately fails.
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    Re: Is Limited Socialism Possible In A Capitalist Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I think that was her 'point', such as it was.

    There's no such thing as a purely capitalistic society-- even the most minimal government functions needed in order to maintain a capitalist market economy, such as law enforcement and the court system, are supported by the taxpayer for the benefit of all. Thus in order for a society to even be recognizable as a society, it must have socialistic elements-- just like for a society to have any of the benefits of a modern, industrialized society, it must have capitalistic elements.
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    Re: Is Limited Socialism Possible In A Capitalist Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I agree!

    I was wondering why she left out one of the basics and it's, more or less, right in the Constitution - roads.
    Well because roads are part of infrastructure and have nothing to with Socialism. Look the OP gave what definition that is being used for Socialism and its the Marxist on the way to Communism one.

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    Re: Is Limited Socialism Possible In A Capitalist Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    My observations tell me that Socialism is never satisfied in a limited capacity and will forever be attempting to grow and spread.
    Like a cancer.

    Public Education = cancer.

    Public Libraries?

    Public Parks?

    Public toilets?

    Public sidewalks?

    Public roads?

    Public air, water....

    I see.

    How about the police that patrol your neighborhood? Let's get rid of them.

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    Re: Is Limited Socialism Possible In A Capitalist Economy?

    I like where this is going. However, I will complain that your list lacks roads and infrastructure, and that your list also fails to distinguish between government-guided programs, and government-run programs.

    For example, I think that government should provide funding for K-12 education. But I don't think it should run education. I'm in favor of a voucher system. Also, I think that government should be in the business of helping the disabled and retired, but it shouldn't be through a single government program. Chile's social security comes to mind as a favorable alternative.

    In these cases, it's possible to make the distinction between "Socialism" as a nationalization of certain services, or "Socialism" as government involvement in certain services. A capitalistic society can benefit from combinations of each. For example, having the state provide police and fire services, and paying for infrastructure development, and the state guiding privately run/managed social security.

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    Re: Is Limited Socialism Possible In A Capitalist Economy?

    i would prioritize your list, but i feel that eliminating all but three would be a significant negative for the nation.

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