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Thread: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

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    Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    While glossing through the 5/7/2012 volume of TIME magazine, I read about the notion of taxing both sugar and salt.

    TIME magazine's website doesn't seem to let you link directly to the article in question without paying first. That said, I found the article within a seperate site discussing it:

    But in recent years, health officials have turned to the tariff system to curb public consumption of fat, sugar, salt and more. With the obesity epidemic now claiming 34% of U.S. adults, legislators are proposing taxes on the added sugar in products like sodas and the salt in snack foods like potato chips in the hopes that higher costs will change people’s eating habits and improve their health. The latest study suggests that taxing salty foods could indeed reduce deaths from heart disease by 2% to 3% in developing countries, where rates of heart conditions are starting to climb.

    At least that’s the theory. But while these sin taxes may fuel funds to fight obesity, they may not necessarily have the desired effect on our eating habits. Other studies hint that it may take as much as a 10% increase in the cost of foods like soda, candy or cake to lower consumption by only 1%. And even if a salt tax helped people avoid buying chips, for example, they might make up for the sodium deficit with extra helping from the saltshaker at the table. That explains why sin taxes have traditionally worked better for the tax taker than the sinner!
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    Personally, I think it might be a good idea. It might have somewhat of a positive effect in general. Obviously with 34% of adults in the U.S. struggling with the obesity epidemic, there must be new measures taken. The question though is to what degree. My view is that we should tax such things like soda and candy upwards of 20-30%. Sure, it may seem draconian, but this needs to stop. As we consumers feed on the garbage that's stocked in our stores, in turn said corporations feed on us, making profit. I think, no, I know they deliberately try to addict us; addiction is great for business. Why wouldn't the corporation of, say, Mountain Dew want us to become addicted to it? It's all about the money.

    That's a bit aside the point. Such foods that can be easily addicted to and cause damage to your body should be taxed; not just 10%, but beyond. How many people know of kids and teenagers who were addicted to soda and candy, now suffering with cavities, without dental insurance? How many people do you know that, since childhood, became addicted to bad food? Instead of commercials advertising veggies to young children, you were bombarded with advertisements for Candy Pops and Pop-Tarts.

    If a 10-30% tax increase in these foods has a positive overall effect on the country, then damn it, that's good. Take it further until it places a sizeable dent in this obesity epidemic.

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    The price of sugar is already higher, than the average global price, because of import restrictions.
    People will still consume the same amounts, unless the price becomes grossly out of context with use of said product.

    The only thing this will do is drive the average price of food up, for no real good reason.
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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    I have little faith in govt programs to tax stuff and change consumer behavior.
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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Meanwhile, 12 months later:

    Several Major Food Manufacturers in the U.S. Declare Bankruptcy Over "Sin Tax" Legislation: 100k jobs lost
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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Yes, a dumb idea. Not only will it not improve peoples heath, as mentioned it will cause further financial strain on most people, and companies.

    You want to save money via more heathy people, then set limits on what the government will take care of... smokers, obesity related illnesses, all on you, your own dime, because they were your choices.
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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    It'll make obese people poorer, meaning they won't be able to afford quality healthcare, and they'll die sooner. Why do you want fat people to die wake?
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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The price of sugar is already higher, than the average global price, because of import restrictions.
    People will still consume the same amounts, unless the price becomes grossly out of context with use of said product.

    The only thing this will do is drive the average price of food up, for no real good reason.
    I didn't know sugar was already higher.

    Perhaps the price needs to increase until it actually helps correct the obesity epidemic. If this raised the price of crap food, while leaving healthier foods like vegetablkes and oatmeal untouched, I'm completely for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    I have little faith in govt programs to tax stuff and change consumer behavior.
    I see it differently. Perhaps some behavior can be changed for the betterment of all through taxes; we do the same with alcohol and cigarettes. Also, I could have sworn nations in Europe have done similar things, resulting in decreased general obesity in the population. [I don't have sources, but I can look into it]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Meanwhile, 12 months later:

    Several Major Food Manufacturers in the U.S. Declare Bankruptcy Over "Sin Tax" Legislation: 100k jobs lost
    That's surprising. Then again, which companies were they, and what kind of food did they sell? If they sold junk food that undoubtedly contributes to obesity and rising healthcare costs, then I feel that's a necessary evil.

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    Yes, a dumb idea. Not only will it not improve peoples heath, as mentioned it will cause further financial strain on most people, and companies.

    You want to save money via more heathy people, then set limits on what the government will take care of... smokers, obesity related illnesses, all on you, your own dime, because they were your choices.
    Would you please show exactly how it won't improve peoples health? The TIME article mentions that it was effective to a degree in developing nations; there may be some positive effect in America, and it may be aquired through an 11-30% increase in taxation. If this can save people from their own stupidity, then so be it; I'm tired of seeing babies so fat that they look like they're going to explode, or seeing these behemoths in motorized carts at Wal-Mart. People get addicted to this junk food, and it tears at the heart to see them slowly kill themselves.

    You do raise a good point on setting limits on what the government will take care of. I feel if you're directly responsible for, say, reaching massive obesity, then you should receive less financial support from the government. You should foot more of the bill if you've played a direct part in killing yourself, whether it's a bad heart from over-eating, a bad liver from alcoholism, or bad lungs from too much smoking, etc.

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    While glossing through the 5/7/2012 volume of TIME magazine, I read about the notion of taxing both sugar and salt.

    TIME magazine's website doesn't seem to let you link directly to the article in question without paying first. That said, I found the article within a seperate site discussing it:



    Sin Taxes: Will marking up junk food make us healthier? | Shane Weight Loss Camps & Resorts

    Personally, I think it might be a good idea. It might have somewhat of a positive effect in general. Obviously with 34% of adults in the U.S. struggling with the obesity epidemic, there must be new measures taken. The question though is to what degree. My view is that we should tax such things like soda and candy upwards of 20-30%. Sure, it may seem draconian, but this needs to stop. As we consumers feed on the garbage that's stocked in our stores, in turn said corporations feed on us, making profit. I think, no, I know they deliberately try to addict us; addiction is great for business. Why wouldn't the corporation of, say, Mountain Dew want us to become addicted to it? It's all about the money.

    That's a bit aside the point. Such foods that can be easily addicted to and cause damage to your body should be taxed; not just 10%, but beyond. How many people know of kids and teenagers who were addicted to soda and candy, now suffering with cavities, without dental insurance? How many people do you know that, since childhood, became addicted to bad food? Instead of commercials advertising veggies to young children, you were bombarded with advertisements for Candy Pops and Pop-Tarts.

    If a 10-30% tax increase in these foods has a positive overall effect on the country, then damn it, that's good. Take it further until it places a sizeable dent in this obesity epidemic.
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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    It'll make obese people poorer, meaning they won't be able to afford quality healthcare, and they'll die sooner. Why do you want fat people to die wake?
    That's not fair.

    There are many foods that are cheap. Seriously, carrots. Celery. Oatmeal. Cauliflower. Did you know that a whole honkin' head of cauliflower supposedly contains only 32 calories?

    How about rice? In moderation it should suffice, with some milk and veggies of your choice?

    Carrots and other veggies and fruits don't cost much.

    Grow a garden.

    I busted my hump digging an [18' x 4' by 18"] deep trench into existence for an asparagus garden with 64 asparagus crowns. That will easily feed two people, for free. Grow some spinach and lettuce; grow brussels sprouts. Invest in an efficiency freezer and stock it with garden produce, whether from a plot or from containers.
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