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Thread: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Wouldn't the smarter route be to limit the amount of sugar/salt placed into products, rather than to tax it. Regulate the food and the producers, not the consumers.
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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Meanwhile, 12 months later:

    Several Major Food Manufacturers in the U.S. Declare Bankruptcy Over "Sin Tax" Legislation: 100k jobs lost
    What happened? People decided to stop eating?

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Wouldn't the smarter route be to limit the amount of sugar/salt placed into products, rather than to tax it. Regulate the food and the producers, not the consumers.
    Effectively there isn't much of a difference. Regulation of the industry amounts to regulating the consumer and vice versa.
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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    What you are doing is pushing the way you eat, and your lifestyle on others. Preparing a good meal for a good sized family can take time that many in todays society do not have, or do not think they have. And most of society is gonna want meat in there somewhere, we are not herbivores. Thus the proliferation of pre-packed meals and easy/fast cook items, which all probably fall under your 'junk food' label.

    Not to mention your whole concept of trying to force people into all the time and work involved in gardening. If they don't have time to fix a good and proper meal how the heck do you think they have time to tend a garden?
    I'm advocating my beliefs.

    Meat can also be cheap and relatively healthy, like chicken breast. You don't have to be vegetarian to eat healthy, cheap and convenient meals. I think it's a crutch to believe the hype that people have no time to cook or eat healthy food. Even if you need an hour I'm sure you can find one to make a healthy meal. It doesn't take much time to make some oatmeal, prepare a salad, cook a little chicken breast, or cut a few asparagus spears, among other things.

    Being an experienced gardener, it doesn't take as much time as you'd think. Digging an asparagus trench can be difficult, but if you find a day oo two out of a week, and have an extra pair of hands or so, it shouldn't be much trouble. It took me only two days by myself to excavate that massive trench. Now I have numerous spears poking their heads out of the soil. All free food. Also, asparagus is very quick to cook.

    It doesn't take much to cook a healthy meal. Knowledge and intelligence makes it a cinch, imo.

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    While glossing through the 5/7/2012 volume of TIME magazine, I read about the notion of taxing both sugar and salt.

    TIME magazine's website doesn't seem to let you link directly to the article in question without paying first. That said, I found the article within a seperate site discussing it:



    Sin Taxes: Will marking up junk food make us healthier? | Shane Weight Loss Camps & Resorts

    Personally, I think it might be a good idea. It might have somewhat of a positive effect in general. Obviously with 34% of adults in the U.S. struggling with the obesity epidemic, there must be new measures taken. The question though is to what degree. My view is that we should tax such things like soda and candy upwards of 20-30%. Sure, it may seem draconian, but this needs to stop. As we consumers feed on the garbage that's stocked in our stores, in turn said corporations feed on us, making profit. I think, no, I know they deliberately try to addict us; addiction is great for business. Why wouldn't the corporation of, say, Mountain Dew want us to become addicted to it? It's all about the money.

    That's a bit aside the point. Such foods that can be easily addicted to and cause damage to your body should be taxed; not just 10%, but beyond. How many people know of kids and teenagers who were addicted to soda and candy, now suffering with cavities, without dental insurance? How many people do you know that, since childhood, became addicted to bad food? Instead of commercials advertising veggies to young children, you were bombarded with advertisements for Candy Pops and Pop-Tarts.

    If a 10-30% tax increase in these foods has a positive overall effect on the country, then damn it, that's good. Take it further until it places a sizeable dent in this obesity epidemic.
    Since when is it the Governments job to tell its citizens what they should or shouldn't eat?

    I am so sick of this mentality that promotes the government into sticking its collective nose where it does not belong.
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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I'm advocating my beliefs.
    Well, your beliefs in terms of eating, do not jibe with the limited powers the constitution grants the government. It is that simple.
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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    That's probably true as well, but I'm not entirely sure that the effort would be in vain.

    I'm ambivalent about this.


    If anyone can lay a finger to that article that says "Congress can't tax unhealthy foods," be my guest.
    The constitution doesn't work like that . Any power that is not written down that Fed doesn't have. It's a list of what they can do, not a list of dot's.

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post

    If the tax is raised enough, there just might be some who decide to opt for carrots, etc. I can't fathom that no one will be affected positively by this. Those who are already looking for means to be healthier may get a boost of wind in their sales from this. The tax may not deter all, but it may deter some.
    But the question (and the problem that I have with this) is that it's really not any of the government's business if I use salt and sugar or not. This is just one of a string of do-gooders trying to tell people how to live, what to eat, what not to smoke, and a lengthy list of other *right* things to do. It's really none of anyone else's business what I put into my body, or not. If I wanted someone to tell me how to live, I'd still be living with my parents.
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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Effectively there isn't much of a difference. Regulation of the industry amounts to regulating the consumer and vice versa.
    No there is a huge difference. Regulating the industry to require less salt/sugar will result in less salt/sugar. It is not too hard for the govt to enforce such a law (though I still think its kinda silly in this case), Taxing salt/sugar will not do so. That is the whole problem with the idea. If ppl want something they will spend $ to get it. If the govt artifiically increases the price too much through taxes ppl will find a way around the taxes. Increased price due to taxes is not the same as increased prices due to supply/demand. Taxes can and regularly are avoided. As a tax increases and becomes more onerous more and more ppl have less compulsion to obey the law and more and more ppl will circumvent the law. Price increases due to supply/demand cannot be avoided such as those created by tax policy, they CAN affect peoples spending habits.
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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    No there is a huge difference. Regulating the industry to require less salt/sugar will result in less salt/sugar. It is not too hard for the govt to enforce such a law (though I still think its kinda silly in this case), Taxing salt/sugar will not do so. That is the whole problem with the idea. If ppl want something they will spend $ to get it. If the govt artifiically increases the price too much through taxes ppl will find a way around the taxes. Increased price due to taxes is not the same as increased prices due to supply/demand. Taxes can and regularly are avoided. As a tax increases and becomes more onerous more and more ppl have less compulsion to obey the law and more and more ppl will circumvent the law. Price increases due to supply/demand cannot be avoided such as those created by tax policy, they CAN affect peoples spending habits.
    It really depends on the elasticity of the demand for the product, and the size of the tax.
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