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Thread: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Taxing will not solve the problem. It didn't do it for cigs. That went down do increase education. Just because something is a problem doesn't mean you can tax it away.

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    Not true. Tax increases did contribute to decrease in smoking rates.

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Look, if you think that people who consume lots of sugar and salt are going to suddenly look at the high-tax price on those items and say "Oh my goodness! That's too expensive.... oh look, here's some lovely asparagus and carrots that are much cheaper, let's buy that instead!"

    .... then you don't know much about human nature.
    It worked for cigarettes. And if my family is any indication of human nature, then increasing price has the effect on human nature that the OP seeks. When prices go up, people look for alternatives, particularly when money is stretched. If the alternatives are healthier, some of them will go for that.

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Not true. Tax increases did contribute to decrease in smoking rates.

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    Official cigarette sales yeah.... BUT... a lot of people have switched to cigars or roll-you-own with bulk tobacco, much cheaper. And cigarettes are smuggled into high-tax places like NYC from where they're cheaper, or people buy cig's from Indian Reservation sources.

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Look, if you think that people who consume lots of sugar and salt are going to suddenly look at the high-tax price on those items and say "Oh my goodness! That's too expensive.... oh look, here's some lovely asparagus and carrots that are much cheaper, let's buy that instead!"

    .... then you don't know much about human nature.
    Respectfully, I disagree.

    If the tax is raised enough, there just might be some who decide to opt for carrots, etc. I can't fathom that no one will be affected positively by this. Those who are already looking for means to be healthier may get a boost of wind in their sales from this. The tax may not deter all, but it may deter some.

    Buying asparagus stalks from the store is expensive; I was advocating for buying crowns and growing them to reap massive yields. Same with other plants. Human nature is very complex. Some may be affected by this deterrment, and some may not.

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It worked for cigarettes. And if my family is any indication of human nature, then increasing price has the effect on human nature that the OP seeks. When prices go up, people look for alternatives, particularly when money is stretched. If the alternatives are healthier, some of them will go for that.
    Some perhaps... most of them will find some way to satisfy their craving for sweets and for salts, buying something sugary or salty that isn't subject to the tax, or finding alternative sources that are cheaper, like many did with cigs.


    Bottom line though, it isn't the fedgov's business to regulate what people eat. If anyone can lay finger to that article of the Constitution that says "in the interest of the national health, Congress shall have the power to tax unhealthy foods more than foods it thinks people SHOULD eat..."

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Some perhaps... most of them will find some way to satisfy their craving for sweets and for salts, buying something sugary or salty that isn't subject to the tax, or finding alternative sources that are cheaper, like many did with cigs.
    That's probably true as well, but I'm not entirely sure that the effort would be in vain.

    Bottom line though, it isn't the fedgov's business to regulate what people eat.
    I'm ambivalent about this.

    If anyone can lay finger to that article of the Constitution that says "in the interest of the national health, Congress shall have the power to tax unhealthy foods more than foods it thinks people SHOULD eat..."
    If anyone can lay a finger to that article that says "Congress can't tax unhealthy foods," be my guest.

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    You know what you have totally left out of the equation? The modern day lifestyle. Both parents in the house working full time jobs doesn't leave time for old style, healthy meals to be cooked all the time. You need to look at the big picture of what you are suggesting, lord knows government never does.
    Why must the "modern day" lifestyle dictate you can't eat healthy foods routinely? Food doesn't have to be expensive to be healthy. If I buy a head of cauliflower and cut it into pieces which I'll eat in portions every 13 hours, it's not that difficult. There are fat-free/low-fat vinagarettes that can be coupled with your portions of cauliflower. Add to the equation that there are literally billions of combinations when it comes to small containers and healthy food. Fat-free cottage chees with a squirt of raspberry dressing and/or almonds is delicious.

    How about buying a pack of Chioggia beets, growing them, and eating them raw, maybe with some sort of healthy dressing? Chioggia beet has circular patterns, and is very sweet. There's also numerous root vegetables like radishes and beets and Jerusalem artichokes that are delicious when eaten raw from a container.



    I have my own system. Buy the smallest-sized red-lidded Rubbermaid containers. Try 30 or so. Factor in a range of the hours per day you're able to eat food. Mine was 10am-6pm. Factor in how many portions you want per day, whether one container per hour, to maybe one per 3 hours. I did one container of healthy food per two hours.

    The kind of containers I use are the ones shown in the picture with olives in them. They work excellently.

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    Point is, it can be very easy to eat cheap and healthy food conveniently. Also, I'm a big guy at 6'4", so it's undoubtedly easier for smaller people to stick to such a system.

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    I see it differently. Perhaps some behavior can be changed for the betterment of all through taxes; we do the same with alcohol and cigarettes. Also, I could have sworn nations in Europe have done similar things, resulting in decreased general obesity in the population
    They have tried that here in Canada it just resulted in smuggling and crime with no extra $ to govt and no reduction in consumption.
    Hence the reason I say it wont work. Honestly this is just a tax grab disguised as a program to combat obesity.
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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post

    If anyone can lay a finger to that article that says "Congress can't tax unhealthy foods," be my guest.

    So.... you figure Congress can do ANYTHING that isn't specifically forbidden in the Constitution?


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    Oh boy I could have tons of fun with that one.


    The Constitution doesn't specifically forbid gov from doing a lot of things that I (or anyone with any sense) wouldn't want it doing.


    But that is not how it works. "All powers not reserved to the Congress, nor denied the States, belong to the People, or the States".

    The fedgov's powers are supposed to be quite limited. If we went with your idea that anything goes if it isn't specifically forbidden, that could go down some mighty dark pathways.

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I'm ambivalent about this.
    And it is that attitude, by the majority of the voting population that has allowed government to overstep it's bound repeatedly throughout history. Thanks for the good work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Why must the "modern day" lifestyle dictate you can't eat healthy foods routinely? Food doesn't have to be expensive to be healthy.
    What you are doing is pushing the way you eat, and your lifestyle on others. Preparing a good meal for a good sized family can take time that many in todays society do not have, or do not think they have. And most of society is gonna want meat in there somewhere, we are not herbivores. Thus the proliferation of pre-packed meals and easy/fast cook items, which all probably fall under your 'junk food' label.

    Not to mention your whole concept of trying to force people into all the time and work involved in gardening. If they don't have time to fix a good and proper meal how the heck do you think they have time to tend a garden?
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