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Thread: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    What is ridiculous is the leftist 'feelings', that are never actually followed up with actions to make a difference, as noted in that post. This who thread is more of the same... a desire for government to step in and 'fix' things that others with little achy hearts don't like, and don't want to put forth any effort to help fix themselves.
    First, Wake isn't a "leftist."
    Second, I've never seen so much hostility directed at the notion of sympathy and empathy. Chill bro.

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    It will make some junk foods more expensive, but I don't think that will make anyone healthier. People will still have the same poor eating habits.
    Not necessarily. I think this tax increase should be done in tandem with other measures, like further education on this issue. I'd like to see less kid-targetting commercials for **** like candy and pop-tarts, and more on veggies and other actually healthy foods. I think this tax increase will affect some people in a positive way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Tobacco and Booze are items for adults. Food, even when you label it 'junk food', is food, that all people have the ability to eat, if they so desire. You are talking about taking away what they can eat. Yeah, fatassedness is a huge problem, the solution is not government modifying behavior through taxation. It doesn't work. Ever.
    I see it differently.

    By taxing the junk food, there will be some less inclined to buy them, and instead opt for healthier foods around the same price, like carrots and celery. I'd rather see people buy their children baby carrots and apples over fruit loops and those fruit roll-up candies.

    I would really appreciate some evidence that shows positive behavior-modification through taxation never, ever works. Would you say nations in Europe with similar methods don't work at all?

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Ever heard of the Boston Tea Party?
    Yes. But was the tax on the tea they dumped in Boston harbor higher or lower than normal?


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    Taxing will not solve the problem. It didn't do it for cigs. That went down do increase education. Just because something is a problem doesn't mean you can tax it away.

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It might have positive effects similar to the positive effects cigarette taxes have had on decreasing smoking rates. I think in order to maximize the positive effect though, there would have to be incentives for healthier food. The difference between cigarettes and food is that while people don't have to smoke, people do have to eat. Therefore, while an alternative to cigarettes does not have to exist, an alternative for junk food, particularly in poor communities, does.
    While that does make sense, there's something I can't agree on so readily.

    I think there are convenient ways to buy alternatives to junk food in poorer communities. Wal-Mart carries cheap vegetables like carrots, celeray, and cauliflower, as well as apples, oatmeal, rice, etc. There's also canned sardines that, while salty, are relatively cheap; methinks they'd be affected, though, which would suck since I love eating them. Then again a 10% tax increase on a roughly $1 item isn't much.

    There are many yards in poorer communities. If I could have it my way people would come to the realization that lawn = potential garden plot. Grow asparagus, lettuce, brussels, tomatoes, etc! There are seed packs in Wal-Mart this very second that cost only .20. For $1 you can buy 5 'Danver's Half-Long Carrots' and sow all of them. They can be over-wintered for convenient access. They freeze well. They're healthy, filling, nutritious.

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    It doesn't take much to buy 7 $3.50 packs of 2-year-old Mary Washington asparagus crowns at x8 per pack from Menard's in Spring, planting them to rake in a massive feast next year.

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    One Mary Washington crown gives about half a pound of food. 64 crowns is 32 pounds. The plants have around a 20-year lifespan and they're very vigorous and resistant to diseases.
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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    But wouldn't it have any positive effect? Maybe place some dent in the obesity epidemic?

    I can't agree it'll have no positive effects at all.
    i lost 110 pounds in the years right after i turned 30, so i have a little bit of perspective on this issue. it has to be something that you want to do, and it takes a lifelong commitment. it's entirely possible and even easy to eat enough unprocessed food to get fabulously fat.

    sure, it would have some positive effects. our nation is horribly in debt and we need new revenue streams. a sin tax would raise revenue, but it would do so in the worst, regressive way.

    as for making people fit? no. it's a much more complex and difficult problem.

    i can tell you how many calories i ate at each meal today. i also have my meals planned out for tomorrow, and a rough idea two to three days out. i also have my exercise completed for today, and i'm planning tomorrow's. additionally, i understand and accept that i will do so every day for the rest of my life. that's what it takes to achieve and maintain weight loss for me. raising the price of salt won't make people do that.

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It actually did work for cigarettes.
    Education worked far more than overtaxing them.

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    First, Wake isn't a "leftist."
    I said the leftist 'feelings' nonsense. If you can not tell the difference, I can offer to arrange a tutor for you.

    Second, I've never seen so much hostility directed at the notion of sympathy and empathy. Chill bro.
    Pointing out that your 'sympathy' for someone doesn't do any good for that person or society is not hostility. Actions matter, not feelings. Actions accomplish things, fix things, take care of things, not feelings. If you can not see that, or figure that out, the offer for a tutor stands. That is action that can fix a problem, as just having empathy for your inability to understand doesn't do anybody any good. Got it?
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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Basic health and safety practice suggests that rather than modifying behaviour, engineering out the problem is the more practical solution. Instead of messing around with taxation rates, legislate for recommended/maximum levels of the offending substances in pre prepared foodstuffs which are the main culprits, while requiring an indication on the packaging as to the content. Junk foods are particularly loaded with salt and or sugar to make them more addictive. A simple traffic-light system could show that a processed food is rated for, say, sugar, salt and fat content, with red being bad and green being good. A quick glance at a box on the side of the pack, showing red, red, red, tells you it's not the healthy option.
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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Look, if you think that people who consume lots of sugar and salt are going to suddenly look at the high-tax price on those items and say "Oh my goodness! That's too expensive.... oh look, here's some lovely asparagus and carrots that are much cheaper, let's buy that instead!"

    .... then you don't know much about human nature.

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    Re: Seasoning Tax: Will marking up sugar and salt make us healthier?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    By taxing the junk food, there will be some less inclined to buy them, and instead opt for healthier foods around the same price, like carrots and celery. I'd rather see people buy their children baby carrots and apples over fruit loops and those fruit roll-up candies.
    You know what you have totally left out of the equation? The modern day lifestyle. Both parents in the house working full time jobs doesn't leave time for old style, healthy meals to be cooked all the time. You need to look at the big picture of what you are suggesting, lord knows government never does.
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