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    Politics and people

    Simple question. Do you base your politics off of where you want people to go socially. In other words, do you support policies which would require people to be more responsible, hard working, honest, moral, etc or do you base your political positions off of where people currently are at in terms of those things?

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    Re: Politics and people

    I base mine off what I think maximizes liberty and equality of opportunity. Whatever one chooses to do with their liberty and opportunity is strictly up to them.
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    Re: Politics and people

    You mean like:

    Law A would accept that GroupA is coming out of school with overwhelmingly large financial aid debt (larger, in fact, than the average cost of attending most state universities for the same program). In response to this fact, Law A creates a very easy repayment program that allows the loan holder to pay $25/month for the first year, $50/month for the second year, and then $100/month for every year there-after at 2% interest, regardless of prime. Law A is justified by its writer in the following way: "We must protect graduating students from the suffocating debt that school creates."

    Law B would accept that GroupA is coming out of school with overwhelmingly large financial aid debt (larger, in fact, than the average cost of attending most state universities for the same program). In response to this fact, Law B creates rules that would limit the amount of money one can borrow for school, adjusted yearly to compensate for reasonable increases in tuition/book/lodging costs. Additionally, Law B would create rules for how universities are allowed to spend tuition receipts, there by providing safe guards for students with new loan limits. Law B is justified by its writer in the following way: "We realize that college costs are rising at drastic rates, but the problem is two fold. Students must borrow responsibly, and universities must spend responsibly."

    First law assumes all other factors stay the same or cannot be changed. Second law assumes that all factors can be manipulated and that the involved parties should be held responsible for their decisions.

    I'd support Law A over Law B.
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    Re: Politics and people

    I'm not sure, I move to increase liberty as much as possible; so wherever that falls.
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    Re: Politics and people

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Simple question. Do you base your politics off of where you want people to go socially. In other words, do you support policies which would require people to be more responsible, hard working, honest, moral, etc or do you base your political positions off of where people currently are at in terms of those things?
    Neither. I do not think we can force any one to go anywhere, and I do not think limiting yourself to the status quo is good.
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    Re: Politics and people

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    You mean like:

    Law A would accept that GroupA is coming out of school with overwhelmingly large financial aid debt (larger, in fact, than the average cost of attending most state universities for the same program). In response to this fact, Law A creates a very easy repayment program that allows the loan holder to pay $25/month for the first year, $50/month for the second year, and then $100/month for every year there-after at 2% interest, regardless of prime. Law A is justified by its writer in the following way: "We must protect graduating students from the suffocating debt that school creates."

    Law B would accept that GroupA is coming out of school with overwhelmingly large financial aid debt (larger, in fact, than the average cost of attending most state universities for the same program). In response to this fact, Law B creates rules that would limit the amount of money one can borrow for school, adjusted yearly to compensate for reasonable increases in tuition/book/lodging costs. Additionally, Law B would create rules for how universities are allowed to spend tuition receipts, there by providing safe guards for students with new loan limits. Law B is justified by its writer in the following way: "We realize that college costs are rising at drastic rates, but the problem is two fold. Students must borrow responsibly, and universities must spend responsibly."

    First law assumes all other factors stay the same or cannot be changed. Second law assumes that all factors can be manipulated and that the involved parties should be held responsible for their decisions.

    I'd support Law A over Law B.
    I'm not sure. I think my question has more to do with how much one is an optimist. For example proponents of the 401k program thought they would be helping people be in control of their money and move them towards responsibility and we are about to have a ****ton of people retire without savings, which is going to put a huge burden on everyone.

    So the question is, was this a social engineering failure based on the idea that people would change in response to a new law?

    There are countless examples of this, but the 401k one was just on the radio.

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    Re: Politics and people

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Simple question. Do you base your politics off of where you want people to go socially. In other words, do you support policies which would require people to be more responsible, hard working, honest, moral, etc or do you base your political positions off of where people currently are at in terms of those things?
    I am more focused on social issues and politics that promote freedoms, liberty and social justice. The bold I see as subjective and more personal issues. I would rather see people given the opportunity to work on those aspects as they choose or see fit.
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    Re: Politics and people

    I am issue-oriented, so your question doesn't compute for me.

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    Re: Politics and people

    I guess this question is a fail then.

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    Re: Politics and people

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I guess this question is a fail then.
    Don't be sad.

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