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    Re: Politics and people

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I guess this question is a fail then.
    It's a good question- probably just a little too abstract for the tastes of many people. It's easy to answer, but not in just a word or two. It requires analysis and foresight over ideology.
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    Re: Politics and people

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I'm not sure. I think my question has more to do with how much one is an optimist. For example proponents of the 401k program thought they would be helping people be in control of their money and move them towards responsibility and we are about to have a ****ton of people retire without savings, which is going to put a huge burden on everyone.

    So the question is, was this a social engineering failure based on the idea that people would change in response to a new law?

    There are countless examples of this, but the 401k one was just on the radio.
    It's pretty interesting that the author of the book (can't remember) that was influential in 401k's has called it a failed experiment (after pushing back his own retirement). Wish I had time to google the book title but it kind of laid the case for why everyone should be an investor in the markets and how opening the markets to everyone was this massive game changer.
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    Re: Politics and people

    Both I have 2 different politics for ideals and for cattle.
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    Re: Politics and people

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Simple question. Do you base your politics off of where you want people to go socially. In other words, do you support policies which would require people to be more responsible, hard working, honest, moral, etc or do you base your political positions off of where people currently are at in terms of those things?
    I think soft encourage policies, to change behavior are a good idea, although I do not believe that should be mandatory.
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    Re: Politics and people

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I'm not sure. I think my question has more to do with how much one is an optimist. For example proponents of the 401k program thought they would be helping people be in control of their money and move them towards responsibility and we are about to have a ****ton of people retire without savings, which is going to put a huge burden on everyone.

    So the question is, was this a social engineering failure based on the idea that people would change in response to a new law?

    There are countless examples of this, but the 401k one was just on the radio.
    The program wasn't complete in behavior modification.
    401ks are still newish.

    I'd support laws adjusted to disallow withdrawals, except in extreme circumstances.

    The problem really isn't 401ks, it's that most people are financial illiterates.
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    Re: Politics and people

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I guess this question is a fail then.

    No, it is actually an interesting question. I had to stop and think about it for a while, which is always a good thing.





    Actually I'm still thinking about it.
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    Re: Politics and people

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Simple question. Do you base your politics off of where you want people to go socially. In other words, do you support policies which would require people to be more responsible, hard working, honest, moral, etc or do you base your political positions off of where people currently are at in terms of those things?
    I base my politics on my idea that humans group themselves into several kinds of communities and compete with each other for control of scarce resources, and that government should be used to referee this competition to ensure it is done in a non-violent way and so that no one group violates the human rights of another group when competing for control of scarce resources.

    Not sure which one of your options my political philosophy falls on, though.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Politics and people

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Simple question. Do you base your politics off of where you want people to go socially. In other words, do you support policies which would require people to be more responsible, hard working, honest, moral, etc or do you base your political positions off of where people currently are at in terms of those things?
    I base my political opinions off policies that I think would maximize an individual's chance to move up the socioeconomic ladder.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Politics and people

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I base my politics on my idea that humans group themselves into several kinds of communities and compete with each other for control of scarce resources, and that government should be used to referee this competition to ensure it is done in a non-violent way and so that no one group violates the human rights of another group when competing for control of scarce resources.

    Not sure which one of your options my political philosophy falls on, though.


    Sounds more reactive than "herding" so I'd guess based on where people are now, moreso than on "where we want them to go".

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    Re: Politics and people

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    No, it is actually an interesting question. I had to stop and think about it for a while, which is always a good thing.





    Actually I'm still thinking about it.
    Behavior economics homey.

    Opens the world of soft incentives to get people to act/be better.
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