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Pro-abortioners/pro-choicers poll.

Pro-abortioners/pro-choicers what do you support?

  • the choice to exercise 2nd amendment rights without any infringements

    Votes: 5 38.5%

  • the choice to use marijuana whether for recreational use or for medical use

    Votes: 8 61.5%

  • the choice to use school vouchers to send kids to private school

    Votes: 3 23.1%

  • the choice to use lethal force on a burglar or attacker

    Votes: 12 92.3%
  • Total voters
    13
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Very simply question for Pro-abortioners/pro-choicers.

Do you support the following-

the choice to exercise 2nd amendment rights without any infringements
the choice to use marijuana whether for recreational use or for medical use
the choice to use school vouchers to send kids to private school
the choice to use lethal force on a burglar or attacker
 
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There's no poll, fail.
 
jamesrage said:
Now there is a poll.
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Aww look at that.

Though I wonder how honest people will be. I think that it's rather clear that pro-life folk tend to be more "pro-life" in general than pro-choice folk are "pro-choice". Though it shouldn't be a surprise as both of those terms are propaganda terms specifically for the abortion debate.
 
jamesrage said:
Very simply question for Pro-abortioners/pro-choicers.

Do you support the following-

the choice to exercise 2nd amendment rights without any infringements
the choice to use marijuana whether for recreational use or for medical use
the choice to use school vouchers to send kids to private school
the choice to use lethal force on a burglar or attacker
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This poll is going to fail for the same reason the other one will. Different situations require different reactions. However, your first one is interesting in that it almost works, just not in the way you intend. Almost no one is suggesting either a complete ban on abortion, or a complete ban on gun ownership. Likewise, almost no one is sugesting a completely unregulated owndership of weapons, or complete, unrelgulated right to abortion. As is almost always the case, there is this huge middle ground that most people inhabit but that those on the very extreme cannot see.
 
I took "shoot the attacker." Simply put, you should have the right to protect your property and family in your own home.

We already accept certain limits on the right to bear arms. For example, you'd be hard pressed to find many people who think you should have a right to have a nuclear missile silo in your backyard, or a tank in your driveway.

I don't support legalization of marijuana. I'm not particularly against it, I'm just not for it.

As far as vouchers go, I think that private schools should be private. Not publicly funded. If the government pays for a basic right, such as the right to an attorney if you're arrested, that's fine. You don't have a right to go to a private school anymore than you have the right to own a Cadillac.
 
For those of you who say "my body, my choice" or "keep YOUR laws off MY body", do you think it should be legal for a pregnant woman to use heroine for recreational purposes?
 
Different issues, different beliefs behind these issues. The poll is essentially a giant straw-man that tries to catch people in some kind of hypocrisy that isn't there.
 
digsbe said:
Different issues, different beliefs behind these issues. The poll is essentially a giant straw-man that tries to catch people in some kind of hypocrisy that isn't there.
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Not all, but many pro-choice people argue in favor of legalized abortion on the grounds that no one should be forcing their morals on someone else. In fact, this is implied merely by using the term "pro-choice".
 
mpg said:
For those of you who say "my body, my choice" or "keep YOUR laws off MY body", do you think it should be legal for a pregnant woman to use heroine for recreational purposes?
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I don't particularly think that heroin should be legal at all, pregnant or not.

It's a different issue altogether, though. Drugs bring about criminal acts which then the government has to deal with. Not just in the dealers, but users often will resort to theft to support their habit. People who get abortions don't need to steal to support their abortion habit, so it doesn't have the same effect on society.
 
rocket88 said:
I don't particularly think that heroin should be legal at all, pregnant or not.

It's a different issue altogether, though. Drugs bring about criminal acts which then the government has to deal with. Not just in the dealers, but users often will resort to theft to support their habit. People who get abortions don't need to steal to support their abortion habit, so it doesn't have the same effect on society.
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Are you one of the people who say "my body, my choice" or "keep YOUR laws off MY body"?
 
mpg said:
Are you one of the people who say "my body, my choice" or "keep YOUR laws off MY body"?
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Are you one of those people who tries to compare different things? Are you one of those people who think quotes out of context are meaningful?
 
Redress said:
Are you one of those people who tries to compare different things? Are you one of those people who think quotes out of context are meaningful?
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If someone says "my body, my choice" or "keep YOUR laws off MY body", and still thinks it should be illegal for a pregnant woman to abuse heroin, all of the rationalizing in the world won't take away the hypocrisy.
 
Redress said:
Are you one of those people who tries to compare different things? Are you one of those people who think quotes out of context are meaningful?
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"out of context"???????????

You have to be kidding. Those quotes are used by themselves all the time.
 
mpg said:
If someone says "my body, my choice" or "keep YOUR laws off MY body", and still thinks it should be illegal for a pregnant woman to abuse heroin, all of the rationalizing in the world won't take away the hypocrisy.
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If some one says they are "pro-life" but supports the death penalty or going to war, then by your definition they are hypocrites. They are not. "Pro-life" refers to a position on abortion, just as the phrases you list refer to positions on abortion.
 
mpg said:
"out of context"???????????

You have to be kidding. Those quotes are used by themselves all the time.
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Correct, in the context of abortion. Context is important.
 
Redress said:
If some one says they are "pro-life" but supports the death penalty or going to war, then by your definition they are hypocrites. They are not. "Pro-life" refers to a position on abortion, just as the phrases you list refer to positions on abortion.
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That's false. "pro-choice" refers to a position on abortion. Saying "my body, my choice" or "keep YOUR laws off MY body", refers to a lofty principle as a reason for being pro-choice. Believing in that principle selectively is hypocritical.
 
mpg said:
That's false. "pro-choice" refers to a position on abortion. Saying "my body, my choice" or "keep YOUR laws off MY body", refers to a lofty principle as a reason for being pro-choice. Believing in that principle selectively is hypocritical.
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So you can remove context when it is convienient, but not when it is inconvienient for your position. Must be nice in your world, where honesty and consistancy are not important.
 
What if I said 'no one should be forced to pay for something through taxation, if they're morally opposed to that thing', and then said 'except for wars'?
 
mpg said:
Are you one of the people who say "my body, my choice" or "keep YOUR laws off MY body"?
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In reference to abortion, yes.

Strange that a "libertarian" would be anti-choice.
 
Redress said:
So you can remove context when it is convienient, but not when it is inconvienient for your position. Must be nice in your world, where honesty and consistancy are not important.
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If you apply logic, you'll see which one of us is being consistent.
 
mpg said:
What if I said 'no one should be forced to pay for something through taxation, if they're morally opposed to that thing', and then said 'except for wars'?
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Then you have added context. Not sure what you are trying to say really here.
 
rocket88 said:
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In reference to abortion, yes.
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So then you apply that principle selectively.






rocket88 said:
Strange that a "libertarian" would be anti-choice.
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Are you accusing me of applying a principle selectively? Are you saying that that's wrong? So it's OK when you do it but not OK when someone else does it?

BTW, protecting the right to life IS libertarian IMHO. Protecting rights is what libertarianism is all about.
 
mpg-
You are using false logic by attempting to link my body, my choice with abortion while ignoring pro-life also can support the death penalty.

A more precise and logical connection is a woman gets to decide her reproductive issues,vs willful actions that hurt a fetus that is not being medically terminated. It is a far different choice than deciding to abort a fetus in a clinic.

Now the poll is silly. The 2nd A is infringed legally all the time and all but the most extreme 2nd A supporters agree it should be. Felons don't get the carry, nor do insane folks. I don't mind folks owning selective fire or fully automatic weapons- IF they pass rather extensive back round checks. But that is infringing on the 2nd A.

Got no problem with legalizing pot, not sure what that has to do with pro-choice.

Not for vouchers to be used outside of public schools.

A citizen has the right to be secure in their home. Using deadly force INSIDE the house should be legal in all 50 states.
 
jamesrage said:
Very simply question for Pro-abortioners/pro-choicers.

Do you support the following-

the choice to exercise 2nd amendment rights without any infringements
the choice to use marijuana whether for recreational use or for medical use
the choice to use school vouchers to send kids to private school
the choice to use lethal force on a burglar or attacker
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You have made it clear how you think and address issues by the structure of this poll. Thanks.
 
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