View Poll Results: Pro-abortioners/pro-choicers what do you support?

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    Re: Pro-abortioners/pro-choicers poll.

    *sigh* I really hate "gotcha" polls, especially when they are so poorly done.

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    Re: Pro-abortioners/pro-choicers poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think even that designation of yours is a bit of propaganda as it assumes abortion as a right to start with.
    Yeah, it's hard to formulate a perfect set every one will agree upon. Mine is not intended as it is a right, but whether it should be, but I see how it could be construed your way.
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    Re: Pro-abortioners/pro-choicers poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yeah, it's hard to formulate a perfect set every one will agree upon. Mine is not intended as it is a right, but whether it should be, but I see how it could be construed your way.
    It can and would be construed that way by certain parts to make their propaganda. In the end, much of the abortion debate comes down to various forms of propaganda on both sides. The terms pro-life and pro-choice are propaganda terms of the abortion debate and cannot be applied outside that debate. I do think the anti-abortion and pro-abortion choice is as good as it's going to get for actual descriptions of political point.
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    Re: Pro-abortioners/pro-choicers poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It can and would be construed that way by certain parts to make their propaganda. In the end, much of the abortion debate comes down to various forms of propaganda on both sides. The terms pro-life and pro-choice are propaganda terms of the abortion debate and cannot be applied outside that debate. I do think the anti-abortion and pro-abortion choice is as good as it's going to get for actual descriptions of political point.
    Did you mean to say anti-abortion relative to pro-abortion choice or anti-abortion choice relative to pro-abortion choice? At the highest levels of these various positions there is a difference I think.

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    Re: Pro-abortioners/pro-choicers poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
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    You are using false logic by attempting to link my body, my choice with abortion while ignoring pro-life also can support the death penalty.
    I never said that the pro-life crowd is incapable of hypocrisy. We already have a thread for that, so let's not hijack this one.

    What's so hard to understand? If someone is against gun control, yet supports TSA screenings, that kinda sorta looks like a contradiction on the surface, but not necessarily. OTOH, if someone says that they're against gun control because freedom is more important than safety, and then turns around and supports the TSA screenings, THAT's hypocritical. Likewise, it isn't necessarily hypocritical to support abortion rights and oppose legalization of drugs, BUT, if you cite a lofty principle that transcends the abortion debate, such as "my body, my choice", as your REASON for supporting abortion rights, you have to stick to that principle if you don't wanna be a hypocrite.
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    Re: Pro-abortioners/pro-choicers poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... the weird thing about this poll is that "pro-abortioners" is a made up word that is inconsistent with the very label pro-lifers gave themselves. If you are pro-life, then anyone who does not mesh with your views is by definition anti-life. As there is nobody who is even suggesting an anti-life position but reproductive CHOICE, then by definition the only terms that exist are pro-choice and anti-choice. You jamesrage, are arguing against people who dont exist.
    Yes, both terms are bogus. "Pro-life" suggests that you're anti-life if you disagree, and "pro-choice" suggests that you're anti-choice if you disagree.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Pro-abortioners/pro-choicers poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... the weird thing about this poll is that "pro-abortioners" is a made up word that is inconsistent with the very label pro-lifers gave themselves. If you are pro-life, then anyone who does not mesh with your views is by definition anti-life. As there is nobody who is even suggesting an anti-life position but reproductive CHOICE, then by definition the only terms that exist are pro-choice and anti-choice. You jamesrage, are arguing against people who dont exist.

    Probabortion is not a made up word.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pro-abortion
    : favoring the legalization of abortion
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