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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Somehow I doubt you would want Americans owning rockets, canons, Ballista, bombs, grenades,Mortar, Hwacha, Ribauldequin, fire arrows or any other types of arms used around or before the constitution was written.
    Good point.

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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Not sure what old ways mean, go back to crime?
    I see lots of landscapers, bug and weed spray trucks, pool cleaners, carpet cleanrs, etc. out there.. Start a small business, lots of them require very little in the way of upfront expenses. Getting bonded might be an issue depending on the nature of the felony.
    But looking for help from the society that doesn't trust the felon is a waste of time. Society isn't the problem near as much as the attitude of the person who has the felony record. I have a relative who went to prison twice, and is out now, hopefully for good. He stole money from people, long story short. Relatives have tried to help him get his head out of his arse, but he has been stubborn.
    Even when society does try to help, eventually society gives up on certain people, those who gave up on themselves a long time ago....
    I had this whole post typed out talking about your points here and extrapolating on what I said. Then I realized that it was getting way too off topic. So I'm going to narrow it down.

    Needless to say you are right that there are those that just keep repeating despite help. For those, yeah, give up on them...keep them in prison for the rest of their lives imo. But you don't throw the baby out with the bath water. IE don't give up on the rest because of one bad apple. There ARE people out there that do want to do the right thing. That do want to change.
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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Discourse has done more to create and protect our rights than weapons ever could. Words are often the tool to topple violent oppressors, who use their weapons to enslave others. If all the gun owners in this country fight the US army, it wouldn't end terribly well for the citizens of this land. It wasn't weapons that brought legal equality among races in this country, nor the rights of women. The people of India drove out the British, the mightiest empire in the world, without taking up arms. Violence doesn't change the world for the better. Even the revolution that forged this country would have been meaningless if not for the words that went along with it. American freedom and democracy weren't created with guns, but with a pen and parchment.
    Bold: Tell that to the people of Iran from the latest election.
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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    When I do a search I find no such consensus among DP members. But even if there were, and you remove the nukes, bunker busters, and AA, everything else I mention can be deployed by a soldier. And that is still a very scary scenario for most people.
    Since when are your feelings of being scared a reason to stop someone from exercising their full rights?
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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Do you support a constitutional amendment that guarantees all citizens who are not convicted felons the right to own fully automatic assault weapons? It would be meant to amend or clarify the second amendment.
    Accidentally voted yes. No amendment is necessary, the Constitution grants everyone the right to bear arms. Due process is not a forever thing. Once the case is disposed by the presiding judge, all rights should automatically be restored, including the right to keep and bear arms.
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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Whenever I read through these threads...they all have the same tone. Of course we CANT allow anyone to own whatever firearm they want and everyone knows that. Cant have everyone owning every weapon designed to kill humans ever created. So theres only one question after that...
    Where does the line get drawn...Does it get drawn at Rocket Launchers or Full Auto Assault Rifles.
    If You allow full auto Assault Rifles...then police will need a bigger better one in every Patrol Car...and just think about lots of assualt rifle shootouts between police and Lunatics...enraged x husbands...nutjobs and Schizos....lotta lotta more mistakes lottalotta more dead innocents.
    Theres no need in my mind for everyone to own military style weaponry on whims....99% wont know how to load them

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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I do not think that a loss of gun ownership is any kind of "punishment" for the felon..
    Would the loss of freedom of assembly be a punishment? Would loss of freedom of speech be a punishment? Loss of the privacy?

    The loss of the ability to exercise any right is a HUGE punishment.
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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I'm curious, why exactly is it that the second amendment is viewed as magically immune to any and all regulation, whereas no other amendment is treated the same way? The first amendment says "congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech", yet they do, and to suggest that every single rule that governs speech is wrong is absurd. The war on drugs is founded entirely on infringements of the fourth amendment. It is the right of the people to keep and bear arms that shall not be infringed, not the convenience to do so completely unregulated. Why is only the second amendment somehow immune to the same limitations as the rest of the bill of rights?

    mainly because the federal government didn't have the authority to regulate such things until there was a dishonest expansion of the commerce clause meaning its teh tenth amendment that is implicated as well as the second.

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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    You do know what the recidivism rate is, do you not ?
    I do!
    What do you think it is?



    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    And punishment has been shown NOT to be effective..
    That isn't necessarily true.




    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    They. and all others, should only be allowed any gun ownership after they prove that their criminal past is indeed past, to my satsifaction..
    I have to disagree.
    Once discharged, all rights should be returned.




    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    ... and ***surprise of surprises*** the Koran....really off the wall, I'll admit.
    Yeah, far off the wall.
    Why would you even say such a thing knowing that "there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed"?





    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    ..., but there are non-violent felonies where I would support the perp owning a gun but only after petitioning the courts, and after "paying his debt to society". Bernie Madoff will never get a gun, based on his ability to repay his victims.....

    People do not easily change,, not without significant emotional events in their lives. If the courts deem a former felon sane enough to own a gun, and he commits a crime with it, back into the slammer, forever....
    I disagree because I find your position to be unreasonable.




    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    But I do know for a fact that if you have a felony charge it is 20 times harder to get a good, steady paying job, no matter your other qualifications.
    Just twenty?
    Damn that's pretty good. lol




    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Society isn't the problem near as much as the attitude of the person who has the felony record.
    Society is one type of problem to the full reintegration into society of an ex-offender. A negative attitude would be another, and for some, generated by society preventing them from fully reintegrating.

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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    TurtleDude-
    still waiting to hear what kind of deer rifle you have seen shoot to 800 yards and score a first round hit.

    Also think it is a fantasy scenario to think a man seizes power AND leaves so many 800 yard 30 ought owners free. The fight will be as the enforcer arm of the dictator moves through society collecting those 800 yard rifles. The odds of anyone getting a shot at the dictator is very low. But nice fantasy to run through your mind as you clean your pistol...

    It is a hot mess when discussing how many times a felon repeats. One problem is a felon is labeled just that and the simplest backround check flags him. If two guys apply and one is a felon, guess who gets hired. I'd rather see a non violent felon get his record exsponged after serving his time.

    If he is a repeater it will show soon enough and will be dealt with anyway. But a strong incentive to have fully restored rights will help with non violent first time offenders.

    There are alot more felons out there than drug dealers and murderers.

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