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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Once a felon, always a felon,
    It is this mentality that keeps people felons. How can they change if you don't give them the chance to change? As it stands our society does not stand for people with convictions.
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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Truth be told, there are some stupid sumbitches out there who I wouldn't want to see with with a full auto. Uncle Sam deems it important to teach everyone to appropriately handle and fire weapons. You must qualify. Some people don't qualify! That's right. I doubt those people ever make it to full auto in training. You'd be an idiot not to weed them out first if you could.

    The idea of giving some dickweed, who has no idea what the hell he is doing, the right to own a full auto assault rifle would make me uncomfortable. Sorry. There are ways to address the issue, I would be open to them, but just throwing the door open to everybody is not the answer I support.

    Anyone who has fired an weapon on full auto certainly enjoyed getting the juiced on the thrill the first few times. After that it's not such a big deal. If you have to buy your own ammo, it damn sure isn't worth it.
    Since when is your comfortableness a qualifier for someone to exercise a right?
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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It is this mentality that keeps people felons. How can they change if you don't give them the chance to change? As it stands our society does not stand for people with convictions.
    Got numbers to support the idea that a "second chance" works to any degree?
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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Not a chance; in fact, I'd rather people aren't allowed to carry deadly weapons outside their own property. The idea of carrying around an automatic weapon, that goes so far above and beyond self defense and into the mass murderer realm. In what fantasy world is such a thing necessary for self defense? Why not just allow people WMDs then? I would never leave the house if everyone is carrying those around. The 2nd amendment was added during colonial days when a well-trained militia and even peasants owning firearms might be necessary to defend a fledgling country, that was in fact invaded soon after. It has no relevance to nowadays. A neighborhood having these weapons won't protect us from any 21st century military including our own. The only case for allowing even handguns is self defense against one assailant. Here is the FBI date on that:

    Of the 13,636 Americans who were murdered in 2009, only 215 were killed by firearms (165 by handguns) in homicides by private citizens that law enforcement determined were justifiable.48

    It seems that far more often than self defense, guns are used by accident (554) or for murder (11,493). Now imagine tossing automatic weapons into that.

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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Truth be told, there are some stupid sumbitches out there who I wouldn't want to see with a full auto.

    Uncle Sam deems it important to teach everyone to appropriately handle and fire weapons. You must qualify. Some people don't qualify! That's right. I doubt those people ever make it to full auto in training. You'd be an idiot not to weed them out first if you could.

    The idea of giving some dickweed, who has no idea what the hell he is doing, the right to own a full auto assault rifle would make me uncomfortable. Sorry. There are ways to address the issue, I would be open to them, but just throwing the door open to everybody is not the answer I support.

    Anyone who has fired an weapon on full auto certainly enjoyed getting the juiced on the thrill the first few times. After that it's not such a big deal. If you have to buy your own ammo, it damn sure isn't worth it.
    You can make the same argument about a semi auto shotgun

    a 32 round uzi will discharge 32 lethal projectiles in about 1.5-2 seconds

    an 8 shot semi auto loaded with #4 buck shot will discharge 8x32 lethal projectiles in 3 seconds

    1.5 seconds=32 bullets

    3 seconds-256 lethal projectiles

    My Red Jack SAIGA 12 g with a 20 round drum magazine loaded with the same-6 seconds max-660 lethal projectiles

    full auto sub gun 20 lethal projectiles a second

    shotgun 66 lethal projectiles a second

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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by wolv67 View Post
    Not a chance; in fact, I'd rather people aren't allowed to carry deadly weapons outside their own property. The idea of carrying around an automatic weapon, that goes so far above and beyond self defense and into the mass murderer realm. In what fantasy world is such a thing necessary for self defense? Why not just allow people WMDs then? I would never leave the house if everyone is carrying those around. The 2nd amendment was added during colonial days when a well-trained militia and even peasants owning firearms might be necessary to defend a fledgling country, that was in fact invaded soon after. It has no relevance to nowadays. A neighborhood having these weapons won't protect us from any 21st century military including our own. The only case for allowing even handguns is self defense against one assailant. Here is the FBI date on that:

    Of the 13,636 Americans who were murdered in 2009, only 215 were killed by firearms (165 by handguns) in homicides by private citizens that law enforcement determined were justifiable.48

    It seems that far more often than self defense, guns are used by accident (554) or for murder (11,493). Now imagine tossing automatic weapons into that.
    Link? and perhaps retype your post so it makes sense?
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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by wolv67 View Post
    Not a chance; in fact, I'd rather people aren't allowed to carry deadly weapons outside their own property. The idea of carrying around an automatic weapon, that goes so far above and beyond self defense and into the mass murderer realm. In what fantasy world is such a thing necessary for self defense? Why not just allow people WMDs then? I would never leave the house if everyone is carrying those around. The 2nd amendment was added during colonial days when a well-trained militia and even peasants owning firearms might be necessary to defend a fledgling country, that was in fact invaded soon after. It has no relevance to nowadays. A neighborhood having these weapons won't protect us from any 21st century military including our own. The only case for allowing even handguns is self defense against one assailant. Here is the FBI date on that:

    Of the 13,636 Americans who were murdered in 2009, only 215 were killed by firearms (165 by handguns) in homicides by private citizens that law enforcement determined were justifiable.48

    It seems that far more often than self defense, guns are used by accident (554) or for murder (11,493). Now imagine tossing automatic weapons into that.

    this argument forgets that most actions of self defense do not involve the criminal being killed



    we don't fight the military if the crap hits the fan

    you shoot the people in charge who started the crap. how long would a dictator last if 10 million people with 30-06 deer rifles with and 6-14 power scopes wanted him dead? there are more than a few people out there who can reliably kill someone at 800-1200 meters with such a weapon

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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Link? and perhaps retype your post so it makes sense?
    He confuses murder with justifiable homicide. that sort of mistake is fatal to making a valid point

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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Got numbers to support the idea that a "second chance" works to any degree?
    How can there be? Society does not give second chances. But I do know for a fact that if you have a felony charge it is 20 times harder to get a good, steady paying job, no matter your other qualifications. For this reason people often have to fall back into old ways in order to make ends meet.
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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Can shoot how far with a 'deer' rifle?

    The relatively few who can use a specially made LR rifle to hit, first round, because security won't let you get a second clear shot, out past 600 yards is so limited the few are well known. Couple that with having to work into position to be able to take that shot and the odds favor the dictator.

    Now 10 million rifles sounds impressive, but 5 million of those rifles will stay in the hall closet, it is one thing to shoot Bambi, another to get shoot at first and with a lot more than a deer rifle. That leaves 5 million spread across the nation and the 'oppressors' can just roll through always having the advantage in fire power and protection.

    You gather any significant number of 'patriots' in anyone place and napalm sticks to babies! Hide in the brush and thermal imaging lights you up. This isn't Fred's ShotGun News column, real world the civilian rebels will be target practice for professional troops.

    Better to vote than depend on civilian revolt.

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