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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    There will be "ray-guns" before this proposal ever comes up for a vote for addmission as an Admentment.

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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What's on your list of irresponsible acts?
    When I was ten years old, I didn't carry my .22cal pump, octagon barrel, double peep Savage up the river for target practice when it was loaded. Nor did it point anyplace but toward the ground. We didn't point at each other, even in fun. We made no attempts to appear menacing or in flagrant display of our weapons. We were, however, irresponsible at times. For instance, we used to tape shotgun shells to the front of the BBgun and shoot at small birds. Stupid, even irresponsible ten year olds, just learnin'. I'm sure you and I would disagree on what's irresponsible because I consider "torture" irresponsible.

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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    When I was ten years old, I didn't carry my .22cal pump, octagon barrel, double peep Savage up the river for target practice when it was loaded. Nor did it point anyplace but toward the ground. We didn't point at each other, even in fun. We made no attempts to appear menacing or in flagrant display of our weapons. We were, however, irresponsible at times. For instance, we used to tape shotgun shells to the front of the BBgun and shoot at small birds. Stupid, even irresponsible ten year olds, just learnin'. I'm sure you and I would disagree on what's irresponsible because I consider "torture" irresponsible.
    You never had BB gun fights? Aw man, those were the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You never had BB gun fights? Aw man, those were the best.
    When I was a kid, we used to have slingshot fights, until I shot across the street and hit another little girl square in the eye with a green chinaberry. That ended my fascination with casual gunfights.
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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Funny how filthy language and silly insults seem to fly from the "minds" of conservatives..
    The person using the term tea bagging conservatives has room to comment about silly insults and filthy language of others? Really?
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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    When I do a search I find no such consensus among DP members. But even if there were, and you remove the nukes, bunker busters, and AA, everything else I mention can be deployed by a soldier. And that is still a very scary scenario for most people.
    Its also a pretty silly one.
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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Wow, I'm surprised how much flak my very pro gun amendment has gotten from the pro gun crowd. Yes, we already have the Second Amendment. However, that somehow has not prevented citizens from being allowed to own fully automatic rifles such as the AR-15 or the AK-47. I think Americans should be allowed to own these weapons. If I were out in the wilderness and I were being charged by an extremely dangerous animal that I can't outrun, I would be extremely glad to have a fully auto AK with me! I've heard of bears taking multiple rounds before they actually go down. Just to be clear, I would never go out and kill a bear just to kill one. The only circumstance in which I would kill any animal would be in self defense. I'm a vegetarian. I don't hunt. That's not a big deal. I only mention it because some people seem to measure the legitimacy of owning a firearm based on its suitableness for hunting. The truth is, there are reasons to own a gun besides hunting.

    We've got the 2nd Amendment. Yet, somehow we're not allowed to own fully automatic assault weapons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why stop at convicted felons? Or are they still criminals after they´ve served their time and repaid their debt to society? I´ll never understand how people can be so in favor of gun ownership as long as we get to deny big bag former criminals from being citizens with every right again.
    I support the gun ownership rights, but I believe some people can forfeit those rights by being irresponsible with guns. If you go into a convenience store and hold a double barrel shot gun in the clerk's face, that's being irresponsible with a firearm. I wouldn't feel sorry for the person if he's never allowed to own a gun again. At the very least, he should be banned for a long period of time. Maybe he gets 10 years in jail and 20 years of not being allowed to own a gun.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Absolutely not. If you're going to go to the trouble of drumming up support for an Amendment to somehow update the 2nd for modern times then there should be no limits at all. In short, you're thinking too small for my taste.
    Well, I don't believe the 2nd Amendment affords any citizen the right to own an atomic bomb. The 2nd was written before many, many modern weapons existed. It therefore requires some interpretation. For me it's automatic assault rifles, yes; atomic bombs, no. I also agree with the other posters that a person should not be allowed to own things like cluster bombs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
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    But then, others have stated that the 2nd amendment already allows for auto weapons. So has anyone ever challenged making autos illegal? That would probably cost a fortune in attorney fees. Would the Supremes rule in their favor?

    I guess I'll vote No, the 2nd already allows for militia weaponry.
    I'm not sure if anyone has challenged the constitutionality of the 1986 automatic weapons ban. You would think the NRA would. They've got the resources. Another option would be to get Congress to overturn the ban. The other option is the Constitutional Amendment I talked about.

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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Wow, I'm surprised how much flak my very pro gun amendment has gotten from the pro gun crowd. Yes, we already have the Second Amendment. However, that somehow has not prevented citizens from being allowed to own fully automatic rifles such as the AR-15 or the AK-47.
    That comes from government overstepping its boundaries, and a new amendment won't protect against that.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Oops, I guess there must be a time limit on editing your own post on this board. I can't edit a mistake.

    This error:
    However, that somehow has not prevented citizens from being allowed to own fully automatic rifles such as the AR-15 or the AK-47.
    Should have read:

    However, somehow citizens have been banned from owning fully automatic rifles such as the AR-15 or the AK-47, despite the 2nd.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That comes from government overstepping its boundaries, and a new amendment won't protect against that.
    It will if assault weapons are clearly defined or specifically mentioned. The problem comes from the amendment having been written before those kinds of arms existed. The 2nd only says citizens have the right to bear arms. It doesn't say what kind. The government could allow people to only own single shot 22 caliber weapons and claim that we have the right to bear arms. I think the only reason they don't do that is there would be hell to pay. I've even met a person who claimed since the amendment was passed in 1789, it only applies to arms that were available at that time. We would only be allowed to own guns like muzzle-loading flintlocks if he had his way. I personally think that's a ridiculous interpretation of the Constitution, but the problem extends from the 2nd being interpretable. That's why I'm for either an amendment or some type of law guaranteeing the right to own fully automatic weapons.
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    Re: constitutional amendment guaranteeing full auto assault weapon ownership

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    It will if assault weapons are clearly defined or specifically mentioned.
    No it won't. Shall not infringe is already in the 2nd amendment and the government deliberately ignores that part.

    The problem comes from the amendment having been written before those kinds of arms existed.
    The 1st amendment and 4th amendment existed before mass printing presses, color photo printing, photographs, the only megachurch at the time was the catholic church,TVs, computers, phones,cameras, long range listening devices, cell phones, wire taps,FLIR, and other electronic devices. Does that mean the 1st and 4th amendment should be amended to include these things?

    The 2nd only says citizens have the right to bear arms. It doesn't say what kind.
    That is because it doesn't matter what kind.


    I've even met a person who claimed since the amendment was passed in 1789, it only applies to arms that were available at that time.
    People who say that are full of ****. I guarantee those same people would not Americans owning arms that were made at or before 1789,especially once they find out what kind of arms were available.What many of those hoplophobes fail to realize is a lot of arms today are just modern versions of the ones that existed back then. Hoplophobes want all firearms banned.This is why Brits are not running around the UK with old fashioned single shot firearms.
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