View Poll Results: Pro-Lifers: what else do you support?

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  • Against the death penalty.

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  • Against wars other than wars of pure self-defense.

    13 68.42%
  • Support government helping the weakest amoung us with food, housing, & healthcare.

    11 57.89%
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    Pro-Lifers poll

    Very simply question for Pro-Lifers:

    are you also against the death penalty, wars other than wars of pure self-defense, and do you support the government using all of its resources to help the weakest amoung us?

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    Re: Pro-Lifers poll

    Against death penalty

    Against dumb wars (does not necessarily mean I am only for "defensive" wars)

    support welfare state.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Pro-Lifers poll

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Against death penalty

    Against dumb wars (does not necessarily mean I am only for "defensive" wars)

    support welfare state.
    why didn't you vote?


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    Re: Pro-Lifers poll

    Your attempt to show hypocrisy is going to fail, since each and every one of those is entirely different than abortion. If you cannot debate abortion issues on their own merits, you probably just should not debate abortion issues.
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    Re: Pro-Lifers poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Your attempt to show hypocrisy is going to fail, since each and every one of those is entirely different than abortion. If you cannot debate abortion on it's own merits, you probably just should not debate abortion.
    I know they are different than abortion.

    But they involve life & death.

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    Re: Pro-Lifers poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    why didn't you vote?

    Because the poll answers are usually too simplistic to describe my beliefs accurately. I rarely vote in user polls.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Pro-Lifers poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I know they are different than abortion.

    But they involve life & death.
    Well played. Just like both you and Ghengis Khan are humans. Does not make it relevant.
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    Re: Pro-Lifers poll

    This is part of why pro-abortion and anti-abortion are better labels.

    In any event, the first two:
    Against the death penalty.
    Against wars other than wars of pure self-defense.
    Are part of the "consistent life ethic." One does not need to oppose aggressive war or execution to be anti-abortion, but if one claims "pro-life" then other situations in which killing is inflicted may warrant questions. I'd wager more self-claimed "pro-lifers" follow the consistent life ethic, however, than there are self-claimed "pro-choicers" who are anarchists.

    I do not support the death penalty, though it is not an aggressive killing, and as such, the comparison to abortion is weak. I do not support aggressive war.



    However, this last one truly does not belong:
    Support government helping the weakest amoung us with food, housing, & healthcare.
    Whether one favors socialism or not has nothing to do with the abortion issue. I certainly do not.

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    Re: Pro-Lifers poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well played. Just like both you and Ghengis Khan are humans. Does not make it relevant.
    what??

    ..........

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    Re: Pro-Lifers poll

    I'm not voting because the poll is for right-to-lifers.

    I'm pro-choice. I'm in favor of capital punishment. And the only wars I'm opposed to are wars I think we can't win-- which is in theory none of them, but in practice all of them because somewhere along the way our government forgot that the purpose of war is to benefit the more powerful side. We can't win wars because we've forgotten the most fundamental element of what 'winning' is-- completing objectives that produce the desired consequences.

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