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    Re: Do you think Obama takes to much credit for the killing of Bin Laden?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    President Obama may have gotten OBL, but he also surrendered to the terrorists in Iraq.
    Nouri al-Maliki is a terrorist?

    Methinks you do not understand the political system in Iraq. At all.
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    Re: Do you think Obama takes to much credit for the killing of Bin Laden?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You would have to explain that one to me.
    He's likely referencing the failure of an agreement to keep US forces in Iraq.

    That in itself is an interesting case in who is sane and who is offer their rocker. I can bet that you have some idea of what happened, largely that the State Department, Military and Obama refused to accept the make or break agreement set forth by the Iraqi government that US forces who commit any crime, real or perceived would be tried in Iraqi courts. Obama is getting flak for not agreeing to this agreement. But if he did, anyone with a brain would know that Obama would get HUGE flak for agreeing to remove immunity from US forces. Basically people who attack Obama on the Iraq-US force agreement are giant political hacks with no regard for consistency or honesty who would use either outcome to attack Obama.
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    Re: Do you think Obama takes to much credit for the killing of Bin Laden?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    and you are most certainly entitled to your opinion, but unless Obama gives the go ahead, nothing happens...the seals don't go in without authorization , and that authorization comes from Obama.
    You're not very familiar with how the CIA operates, are you?
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Do you think Obama takes to much credit for the killing of Bin Laden?

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    I bet those who claim that Obama does not deserve any credit will give all the credit to Bush if Osama was captured during his tenure.
    Swing and a miss. It has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with what actually happened. At best, Obama signed a piece of paper that some aid put on his desk.
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    Re: Do you think Obama takes to much credit for the killing of Bin Laden?

    No. He deserves his credit, just like I give Bush in many things he did.
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    Re: Do you think Obama takes to much credit for the killing of Bin Laden?

    I watched a special talking about what went into doing this, that Obama directed the CIA to do certain things and they had to make the call on what was an incredibly risky operation. Obama deserves credit as much as any CEO that directs the company to go a different way than the previous CEO. Of course, Obama is "reminding" people Bin Laden was done away with on his watch. Navy, honestly the GOP just needs various issues to get independents riled up and energize the base so the base actually votes for a guy they hate. Next up, they will be pounding hard on gay rights and abortion because all the real issues are to confusing for the average voter to keep track of. Same plays, different game.
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    Re: Do you think Obama takes to much credit for the killing of Bin Laden?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Swing and a miss. It has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with what actually happened. At best, Obama signed a piece of paper that some aid put on his desk.
    You're in complete denial of what had to happen over the past 3 years and how much a president has to be involved from beginning to announcement. It's also interesting that you have the following quote on your posts: "... a tale told by an idiot; full of sound and fury, and signifying nothing."

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    Re: Do you think Obama takes to much credit for the killing of Bin Laden?

    This is just more proof that the Republican extremists will complain about absolutely anything Obama does. In his campaign, Obama was derided for saying that we should consider going into Pakistan to find bin Laden. He was portrayed as this war monger who was going to start another war and blah, blah, blah. The decision to send special forces into Pakistan certainly was not a no-brainer automatic one that anyone would have made. Biden advised Obama against it. It was a tough call, and the GOP can't stand that Obama made the right one, so they're desperately trying to spin it to make him look bad. Obama has given credit to the brave soldiers in our military who did the attack and who supported it. He's also given credit to the people who did the intelligence work who made the raid possible. It's laughable when the right-wing complains about Obama scoring political points on this. Bush didn't soak in any political points at all over 9/11 or when Saddam Hussein was captured. LOL. Here's a cartoon that expresses it perfectly:



    I'm sure they wouldn't have blamed Obama at all if the mission had gone bad just like they didn't blame Carter at all when the hostage rescue mission failed. Rrrrriiiighht.

    If Obama found a cure for cancer, the Republicans would find some ridiculous spin to be able to blame him for it. Also, anyone who refers to the president as "Hussein Obama" or "Barry Soetoro" "the Kenyan" cannot be taken seriously. The use of that derisive nonsense indicates someone who's determined to hate him no matter what. Those are terms used by bigots who have realized they can't get away with calling him "ni__er."

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    Re: Do you think Obama takes to much credit for the killing of Bin Laden?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    This is just more proof that the Republican extremists will complain about absolutely anything Obama does. In his campaign, Obama was derided for saying that we should consider going into Pakistan to find bin Laden. He was portrayed as this war monger who was going to start another war and blah, blah, blah. The decision to send special forces into Pakistan certainly was not a no-brainer automatic one that anyone would have made. Biden advised Obama against it. It was a tough call, and the GOP can't stand that Obama made the right one, so they're desperately trying to spin it to make him look bad. Obama has given credit to the brave soldiers in our military who did the attack and who supported it. He's also given credit to the people who did the intelligence work who made the raid possible. It's laughable when the right-wing complains about Obama scoring political points on this. Bush didn't soak in any political points at all over 9/11 or when Saddam Hussein was captured. LOL. Here's a cartoon that expresses it perfectly:



    I'm sure they wouldn't have blamed Obama at all if the mission had gone bad just like they didn't blame Carter at all when the hostage rescue mission failed. Rrrrriiiighht.

    If Obama found a cure for cancer, the Republicans would find some ridiculous spin to be able to blame him for it. Also, anyone who refers to the president as "Hussein Obama" or "Barry Soetoro" "the Kenyan" cannot be taken seriously. The use of that derisive nonsense indicates someone who's determined to hate him no matter what. Those are terms used by bigots who have realized they can't get away with calling him "ni__er."
    quite possibly there may be more truth to your last paragraph than we may want to admit...just possibly...

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    Re: Do you think Obama takes to much credit for the killing of Bin Laden?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    You're not very familiar with how the CIA operates, are you?
    ST6, like Delta etc. is a Tier One asset. They move, especially on missions like this against strategic level targets, at the President's Direction.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child
    I can bet that you have some idea of what happened, largely that the State Department, Military and Obama refused to accept the make or break agreement set forth by the Iraqi government that US forces who commit any crime, real or perceived would be tried in Iraqi courts. Obama is getting flak for not agreeing to this agreement. But if he did, anyone with a brain would know that Obama would get HUGE flak for agreeing to remove immunity from US forces.
    that is correct. The criticism here is the failure of The One who was going to balm all wounds with Smart Power to successfully negotiate a simple F'ing SOFA treaty in such a manner as to allow us to finish the mission in the best manner possible. It's not a critique of intent, but of competence

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