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    Re: Anarchy or Totalitarianism?

    I'll choose Anarchy over Totalitarianism. Just make sure you have guns, dogs, a lot of food and water, and a strong community.
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    Re: Anarchy or Totalitarianism?

    As Click and Clack the Tappet brothers so wisely suggested, we need a philosopher king. Seems that a representative federalist republic has failed.

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    Re: Anarchy or Totalitarianism?

    Quote Originally Posted by cjgeist View Post
    If you had to pick between one of the two, which one would you prefer?
    I would pick war :P

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    Re: Anarchy or Totalitarianism?

    none of the above. both are unworkable.

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    Re: Anarchy or Totalitarianism?

    we dont live in a jungle and we need rules for our safety.even jungle has its own rules
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    Re: Anarchy or Totalitarianism?

    Anarchy soon collapses into some version of local-strongman-rule, also called Warlordism or Robber Barons.



    I chose Anarchy. I'd make an awesome Warlord.








    (it would probably be a short life, but an entertaining one...lol)
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    Re: Anarchy or Totalitarianism?

    I'd prefer a healthy mix of order and chaos but if I had to choose it would be order. You can't get anything done in a chaotic society and what little does get done is soon lost.
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    Re: Anarchy or Totalitarianism?

    Anarchy as chaos or anarchy as in Anarchism?

    Let's see: Anarchy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Anarchy (from the ancient Greek ἀναρχία, anarchia, meaning "absence of a leader"), has more than one definition.
    If it is the first (chaos), I choose totalitarianism. It it is the second, I choose Anarchy.

    Btw, if you have some spare time, you may find this radio show on Anarchism interesting:
    Against The State, Part 3 | Ideas with Paul Kennedy | CBC Radio

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    Re: Anarchy or Totalitarianism?

    If we look at the historical record, anarchist communities seem to suck a lot less than totalitarian ones. Places like medieval Iceland, Civil War Catalonia, and Somalia between the UN withdrawal and Ethiopia's 2006 invasion didn't really suck that hard. In all of these places an equilibrium of power took hold, and people found basic ways of resolving disputes without enslaving or killing each other to that great of a degree. Somalia is actually a very interesting example. Once the civil war began to die down in the late 1990's Somalis used either tribal-based polycentric law called Xeer or independent sharia courts to resolve disputes. While the system had numerous imperfections, many living standards actually rose since from pre-1991 levels. Somalis were probably better off with no government than the totalitarian and kleptocratic government of Siad Barre. Medieval Iceland used an interesting system that consisted of buying and selling loyalty to chieftains and even court settlements. I don't know much about the anarcho-socialist communities in Spain, but it was probably better than Stalinist Russia. Anarchy may be the absence of government, but that does not mean that it is the absence of governance and some hierarchical structure. Any complex society inevitably forms some type of authority institutions, but they are just far more decentralized.

    This is not to say that I would like to live in these places over the United States or some place with a small, liberal state, or that they are some kind of libertarian wet dream. These decentralized structures can provide a basis for law and order and even lay the foundation for economic growth. However, they are often institutionalize oppression just as badly as a traditional government. Somalia's Xeer law is based upon old tribal customs that institutionalize discrimination against women and ethnic minorities. Also, Xeer, which is based upon rural clan ties, has had problems adapting to urbanization. Sharia Courts have sprung up to fill these gaps in the cities. The courts were not really oppressive like the Taliban. The decentralization of the courts allowed for a broad spectrum of views ranging from moderate to extreme. Much of the radicalization of the courts came after the Ethiopian invasion and many of the judges rallied around al-Shabaab to kick out the invaders. Still, there were few real checks and balances, so some courts were able to make rulings that would go against our notions of individual liberty.

    Iceland went through the opposite problem that Somalia went through. The various chieftains were able to collude and created a tax to support the church, but they exempted themselves. This helped a few small families take control over most of the land and power in Iceland, leading to civil war. The problem with anarchy is not that it will devolve into Mad Max or something horrific like that, but that it doesn't totally remove the inherent problem that many people have with the state, coercion. It can find workarounds to many of these problems, but there are very few safeguards to really protect the individual liberty and security of people.

    http://www.observatori.org/paises/pa...64_somalia.pdf
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    Re: Anarchy or Totalitarianism?

    I'd pick totalitarianism. At least there you have a chance of a semi-benevolent ruler. Anarchy is inevitably going to suck.
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