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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    To all the people that dont believe America is an example of freedom in the world....Please list all countries you believe are freer...

    Free isnt getting and being able to do whatever you want....Free isnt having to NOT abide by any rules.....Free isnt automatically being entitled to anything you want....FREEDOM has responsiblity and and rules...FREEDOM TAKES RULES AND LAWS to keep other humans from taking your Freedom.......If you want to be totally free to do whatever you want...with blatant disregard for anyone else...find yourself a spot in the world no wheres near another human...and by all means DO WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU THINK WILL MAKE YOU FREE...
    The United States of America is more than Free enough for me...
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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    To all the people that dont believe America is an example of freedom in the world....Please list all countries you believe are freer...
    Why must we do that? Just because you are first in the world doesn't very much mean you are free. All it means is everyone else is worse off than you are. Understand? Is that the goal? No.


    Free isnt getting and being able to do whatever you want....Free isnt having to NOT abide by any rules.....Free isnt automatically being entitled to anything you want....FREEDOM has responsiblity and and rules...FREEDOM TAKES RULES AND LAWS to keep other humans from taking your Freedom.......If you want to be totally free to do whatever you want...with blatant disregard for anyone else...find yourself a spot in the world no wheres near another human...and by all means DO WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU THINK WILL MAKE YOU FREE...
    Learn what liberty is before you go into a rant. Thanks.

    The United States of America is more than Free enough for me...
    A man that has never seen freedom and doesn't understand it can never be expected to be able to recognize when he is not free.

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why must we do that? Just because you are first in the world doesn't very much mean you are free. All it means is everyone else is worse off than you are. Understand? Is that the goal? No.





    Learn what liberty is before you go into a rant. Thanks.



    A man that has never seen freedom and doesn't understand it can never be expected to be able to recognize when he is not free.


    Henrin there are some americans that have a distorted view of what they think freedom should be...Ron Paul is one of them.
    Whether some americans like it or not...there has be rules to keep others from taking your freedom...there has to be a hierarchy and leadership....
    NO one in a modern society can be left to their OWN DESIGNS....if you want that..go live in a cave no where near other humans and be as FREE as you want...Just because as an American you have a VERSION of what freedom should be doesnt mean its mine...

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Henrin there are some americans that have a distorted view of what they think freedom should be...Ron Paul is one of them.
    Ron Paul view is distorted how?

    Whether some americans like it or not...there has be rules to keep others from taking your freedom...there has to be a hierarchy and leadership....
    NO one in a modern society can be left to their OWN DESIGNS....if you want that..go live in a cave no where near other humans and be as FREE as you want...Just because as an American you have a VERSION of what freedom should be doesnt mean its mine...
    I never said that I did want that, and saying the same thing again does not mean you are right about the term.

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Ron Paul view is distorted how?



    I never said that I did want that, and saying the same thing again does not mean you are right about the term.

    Henrin...there is NO RIGHT NOR WRONG...with a persons perception of freedom.....there are some people in the world that are as oppressed as it gets and they are HAPPY...as spoiled americans were never happy

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Henrin...there is NO RIGHT NOR WRONG...with a persons perception of freedom.....there are some people in the world that are as oppressed as it gets and they are HAPPY...as spoiled americans were never happy
    Freedom means something and if someone is wrong on what it means, they are wrong. There is no out card where you can claim you are right and I'm right at the same time, sorry.

    The last bit is just confusing. What in the world does happiness have to do with freedom? You can be slave and treated amazingly well and as happy as can be. Guess what? You are still a slave and you still are not free even if you might be the happiest you have ever been.
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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Freedom means something and if someone is wrong on what it means, they are wrong. There is no out card where you can claim you are right and I'm right at the same time, sorry.

    The last bit is just confusing. What in the world does happiness have to do with freedom? You can be slave and treated amazingly well and as happy as can be. Guess what? You are still a slave and you still are not free even if you might be the happiest you have ever been.
    Your first comment made no sense...the perception of freedom is the interprtation of each individual..there is no ABSOLUTE FREEDOM on this planet.

    If you believe your free you are...

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Your first comment made no sense...the perception of freedom is the interprtation of each individual..there is no ABSOLUTE FREEDOM on this planet.
    The goals of humanity revolve around freedom. Do you agree or disagree?

    If you believe your free you are...
    There is perception and then there is reality. Believing perception equals reality is a falsehood.

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

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    The goals of humanity revolve around freedom.

    The freedom to do what exactly?
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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
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    The freedom to do what exactly?
    After all this talk you have had with people on the term you're still asking the wrong questions? Really?

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