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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    And this was really so different from most of our history, how?
    There are men with power...

    we must destroy them!

    Vive la anarchie?

    sigh... you need education to be a proper anarchist....

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Or just enough crappy punk rock to feel like anarchy is just awesomeness.
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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    freedom isn't defined as being allowed to do the things Navy Pride thinks I should be allowed to do.



    slavery was a way for people to get revenue too. It is patently anti-freedom however.



    I am speaking about forced retirement as in social security.
    1. I hate to sound redundant but try living somewhere else and compare......If your looking for a perfect country you will never find it.......

    2. That is a horrible comparison.

    3. I retired at 60 and starting drawing SS at 62 and loved it.........Most are not forced to retire that early.
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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Or just enough crappy punk rock to feel like anarchy is just awesomeness.
    Yeah... I don't actually know that much about anarchism...

    international socialism is significantly cooler, but everything is irrelevant, as time goes by only constructivism will matter...

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    1. I hate to sound redundant but try living somewhere else and compare......If your looking for a perfect country you will never find it.......
    the question is if we are the land of the free, not if we are the best nation on earth, so your reply is a straw man.

    2. That is a horrible comparison.
    it was logically succinct

    3. I retired at 60 and starting drawing SS at 62 and loved it.........Most are not forced to retire that early.
    I find it hard to believe SS alone is sustaining you. You draw a pension from your job of serving the country for many years, but that is beside the point.

    A free person would be allowed to risk not saving for retirement as they throw that money into a business instead. That is how it used to work when the country was closer to actually being the land of the free and home of the brave.

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    When I read the answers to this sort of question I can't help but rephrase it as, "Do white fairly well off men feel we are still the best nation in terms of individual freedom?"

    Blacks, and women would say the good old days were not so good.

    People living in the territories may have had more personal freedom but also little if any say in national issues.

    Many cowtowns had severe firearm restrictions.

    Big companies ran roughshod over the legal but immigrant citizens. Big City politics was as rigged as a carnie 3 card monty game.

    Corporations may bemoan the EPA but I like clean water and no acid rain.

    I certainly don't like the so-called Patriot Act, but our history is littered with Alien and Sedition Acts along with suspending basic rights.

    I find the travel restriction to Cuba asinine.

    So I figure you have to be very selective in the points you make for or against the argument we have lost some of our freedoms to be overall less free.
    I agree a lot with this post. Mickey Shane was right. People have varying interpretations of what freedom means.

    For me, an important issue of freedom in the country is gay rights. Another issue is incorporating territories such as Guam and Puerto Rico so they can have a bigger voice.

    Overall, I think we are more free than we were in the past. We certainly have more rights. Integration, interracial marriage, disabled rights, and even speech we have earned more. How free were we in the 1950s? Free not to live under policies we don't like? Sure, say what you want about Obamacare but it is not an issue of freedom as some try to make it out to be. Like I said, we have bigger freedom issues plaguing this country. People use the word freedom to attack their political opponents but they fail to demonstrate a knowledge of what it means.
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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the question is if we are the land of the free, not if we are the best nation on earth, so your reply is a straw man.



    it was logically succinct



    I find it hard to believe SS alone is sustaining you. You draw a pension from your job of serving the country for many years, but that is beside the point.

    A free person would be allowed to risk not saving for retirement as they throw that money into a business instead. That is how it used to work when the country was closer to actually being the land of the free and home of the brave.


    1. It goes hand in hand

    2. we will have to agree to disagree.

    3. Of course I have other income...I planned for my retirement when I was young never expecting to see SS. You just can not let people throw away everything they have earned because they then become dependent on welfare and my taxes....
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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    1. It goes hand in hand
    No it doesn’t. If every nation on earth except ours practices slavery, while we merely allowed indentured servitude, it wouldn’t mean we are free simply because everywhere else you visited was worse.

    You just can not let people throw away everything they have earned because they then become dependent on welfare and my taxes....
    You can’t claim to live in a free nation when you allow fear of poverty to undermine liberties.

    Listen my liberal comrade, self respecting conservatives don’t call investing disposable income towards a business as throwing away their earnings. That mentality of yours is a major tell in what you really think.

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Wow I am shocked 10 people say not really.......It is obvious that they have not seen a lot of countries and the restrictions on freedom there they might change their mind.
    You seem to have an issue clearly seeing the difference between relative freedom within the US... which this thread is about... and relative freedom compared to other countries... which this thread is not about.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    We're not as bad as Nazi Germany or Stalinist USSR, but we're an extremely, extremely anti-freedom nation. You can be arrested and put in prison for a long time for using a drug that the government doesn't approve of, even if it's for medicinal reasons and no one else is hurt. 18 year-old adults are denied the right to even buy alcohol. We are not sexually free. It's illegal to buy or sell sexual services or for gays to marry. Our wonderful Patriot Act means you could be arrested and held without charges and no attorney if the government uses terrorism as an excuse on you. With gun ownership, we have better freedom than most nations, but you're still not allowed to own a fully automatic assault rifle such as an AR-15 or an AK-47 (except for very expensive grandfathered ones).

    Our representation in government has been hijacked by corporate bribery that destroys the value of our votes. Both parties are beholden to their bribes from corporations, making them put the corporations first and the people second, and the Supreme Court validates this absurd arrangement with the worst ruling since the Dred Scott decision.

    Are we the land of the free? Are you F'ing kidding me? If I were giving us a letter grade, I'd give us a D. The only reason it's not an F is because countries like North Korea exist.

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