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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bleeding Head Ken View Post
    Who owns the creek?
    Part of it is private and part is public. I'm on the public part. The source sediment is on private property it's not clear yet where the creek becomes public.

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Similarily I have no problems with restrictions to keep a pedophile from being around children.
    Yes the pedophiles freedoms are being curtailed but they have shown a propensity to take away others rights.To the above you answered:
    What you are forgetting is that a pedophile caught when you say our freedoms were greater would be zero risk to children in the future. (To be clear I guess I have to add: The pedophile would be dead. That is unless he was the leader of a group.)
    Do you understand the concept of one person's rights (and freedom by default) end where the next person's rights begin. Obviously in a completely free (and anarchist) society one person could walk into another's house and eat their food, use their bed, etc. That's why we have a government. To enforce and adjudicate the rights of the people. No governed person is truly "free".
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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I just sat down to lunch after finding what the new source of sediment is that is filling the creek we live on. I'll omit the many details and just keep it simple. So, without government regulations saying that you don't have the freedom to pollute the creek with sediment, how do you suggest I get them to stop doing it? Especially since it causes them no damage what so ever.
    What kind of problem is the sediment causing others?
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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Past offenses do not have to be ignored to support freedom. If you have past offenses, you aren’t innocent. Society found you guilty, and are allowing you to live out the remainder of your life with previously freedoms curtailed.
    If they wanted to put someone in prison for life for a crime then they should of done so. When they release an individual they are giving back the freedoms lost when the punishment was given out and that person is once again seen as a person that can practice all of their freedoms. Time served is for the offense already undertaken so that is considered equal by all accounts and purposes. Doing anything further IS taking away freedoms for crimes already accounted for and dealt with.

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If they wanted to put someone in prison for life for a crime then they should of done so.
    Nope. Prison is not the only way of applying a punishment.

    When they release an individual they are giving back the freedoms lost when the punishment was given out and that person is once again seen as a person that can practice all of their freedoms.
    This is not how it works. In most states, a felon released from prison has many rights not returned to them, and nobody initiated force against the felon. He/she did it to themselves.

    Time served is for the offense already undertaken so that is considered equal by all accounts and purposes. Doing anything further IS taking away freedoms for crimes already accounted for and dealt with.
    All you did is rehash your opinion in a different manner, but it is still an opinion, and a bad one at that

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Nope. Prison is not the only way of applying a punishment.
    Did I say it was? Nope.

    This is not how it works. In most states, a felon released from prison has many rights not returned to them, and nobody initiated force against the felon. He/she did it to themselves.
    Sorry, but yes, I'm aware of this. I understand all to well that people serve their time and are still treated as criminals and people like you pretend its actually not about security at that point. Also, to tell me that future punishments is not force at all is ridiculous, btw.
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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Did I say it was? Nope.
    Yes, you did.

    As a punishment, I want to lock a person up for 10 years, and strip them from owning a gun for life

    You claim I should just lock them up for life. So you said the only punishment I can give is prison, and when they are released from prison they must have all their rights restored.

    Sorry, but yes, I'm aware of this. I understand all to well that people serve their time and are still treated as criminals and people like you pretend its actually not about security at that point. Also, to tell me that future punishments is not force at all is ridiculous, btw.
    They are criminals, They proved to society they will engage in criminal activity.

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Sorry, but yes, I'm aware of this. I understand all to well that people serve their time and are still treated as criminals and people like you pretend its actually not about security at that point. Also, to tell me that future punishments is not force at all is ridiculous, btw.
    which brings us back to the pedophile
    If your past actions have shown that you have a trendancy to do things that take away others rights then of course you should have some of your freedoms curtailed to protect others. Did you even look at the link I provided on the recidivism rate of pedophiles? Are you seriously arguing that a convicted pedophile who has served his/her sentence should be allowed to run a daycare or teach children? Or is denying them the right to those professions a reasonable restriction of their rights in order to guarantee the rights of others?
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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Yes, you did.

    As a punishment, I want to lock a person up for 10 years, and strip them from owning a gun for life

    You claim I should just lock them up for life. So you said the only punishment I can give is prison, and when they are released from prison they must have all their rights restored.
    I never said prison is the only way to punish an individual but only talked about prison and life sentences. My argument is about the idea about time served and making sure to not violate their freedoms any further after that point. Its very clear, is it not?

    They are criminals, They proved to society they will engage in criminal activity.
    And they served their time for their crime. We already went over this.

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    which brings us back to the pedophile
    If your past actions have shown that you have a trendancy to do things that take away others rights then of course you should have some of your freedoms curtailed to protect others. Did you even look at the link I provided on the recidivism rate of pedophiles? Are you seriously arguing that a convicted pedophile who has served his/her sentence should be allowed to run a daycare or teach children? Or is denying them the right to those professions a reasonable restriction of their rights in order to guarantee the rights of others?
    Yes, I'm seriously saying that. FYI, I'm very much aware of its dangers.

    And really its call a background check. If who you are hiring is known to rape children than you should have the sense to not hire them if they are going to be around children. I don't see how this is hard to deal with.
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