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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    I think we do a better job of balancing freedom and security than many other countries... but i don't think we fall on the "free" end of that scale.

    I live part time in Colombia... a 2nd world country at best... and ,personally, I feel far far more free down there than I do here..... the sheer amount of rules,regulations, and laws we must abide by here isn't realized until you you are faced with a society that doesn't have them.

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Similarily I have no problems with restrictions to keep a pedophile from being around children.
    Yes the pedophiles freedoms are being curtailed but they have shown a propensity to take away others rights.To the above you answered:
    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So you are willing take freedom from people because of risk? Isn't that the whole safety over liberty argument?
    They have already been punished for that, have they not? Since no other actions have happened there is no warrant by the state to act further.
    What you are forgetting is that a pedophile caught when you say our freedoms were greater would be zero risk to children in the future. (To be clear I guess I have to add: The pedophile would be dead. That is unless he was the leader of a group.)
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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    No I support freedom but when someone has demonstrated that they are not willing/able to respect other peoples freedom then they do not deserve the same amount of freedom as others. So you would defend the right of a pedophile with multiple convictions to run a daycare or be a grade 1 teacher? That isn't defending freedom that is insanity
    This is a completely different issue. If a person violates someone else’s rights, they risk losing theirs.

    In the case of a pedophile, I subscribe to the notion that some people are born defective, and once they prove to the world they are defective in a form that is particularly harmful to those around them, they forever risk a loss of life and liberties.

    I would personally advocate the complete removal of them from society permanently, via execution. Others in society might show a little more compassion unfortunately.

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    This is a completely different issue. If a person violates someone else’s rights, they risk losing theirs.
    It is a different issue than what?
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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    It is a different issue than what?
    then giving up freedom for security.

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    then giving up freedom for security.
    thanx for clarifying

    Henrin is the one who thinks that way not me
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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Yeah, it's still the land of the free. The "Home of the Brave" part, though, I'm not so sure about.
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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Res Cogitans View Post
    Yeah, it's still the land of the free. The "Home of the Brave" part, though, I'm not so sure about.
    Well, of course it is. Atlanta is part of the United States, isn't it?

    We are covered during baseball season, anyway.
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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Nope and I dont care to be honest...theres alot of things I dont know CPWill...theres alot more YOU Know than me...I only have my experience and what little brains and the heart I have to decipher that experience and base my decisions...a learned educated man I am not.
    well, are you free if you are regulated to death? the federal register is what... about 100,000 pages now? You have to comply with that if you are a business owner. And then you have to comply with the tax code, which is so complex that even the IRS doesn't understand it and even the Treasury Secretary can't figure it out. It's virtually impossible to run a business without breaking some law that you (and everyone else) was unaware of. If the government retains the ability to seize you at any time, force you to pay for your defense, and not have to compensate you if it loses, are you free?

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    thanx for clarifying

    Henrin is the one who thinks that way not me
    I see no indication that he thinks that way. He was not addressing the results of people that initiate force against others, such as pedophiles was he?

    The closest he broached this subject is in his reply to you saying the following If it is demonstrable that you pose a risk to use a gun in a way that would deny others their rights then I feel it is ok

    This is incredibly ambiguous. If you demonstrated in the past that you are prone to armed robbery, it is one thing, but if you demonstrated potential risk in the past based on an op-ed opinion in the local paper, that is another matter entirely.

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