Thread: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

Originally Posted by cpwill

care to guess how many pages are on the Federal Register?

Nope and I dont care to be honest...theres alot of things I dont know CPWill...theres alot more YOU Know than me...I only have my experience and what little brains and the heart I have to decipher that experience and base my decisions...a learned educated man I am not.

Originally Posted by lpast

Were in this thread henrin...not the employer thread...but I will answer you...Freedom is not having an employer because he has wealth or power over you...having the ability to do WHATEVER HE WANTS WITH YOU...like your a piece of meat....thats china freedom...not american

Whatever he wants with you? So having the ability to end a mutual agreement that he or she no longer finds in their best interest is doing whatever they want with you?

Originally Posted by Henrin

Whatever he wants with you? So having the ability to end a mutual agreement that he or she no longer finds in their best interest is doing whatever they want with you?

Youve changed the subject from this thread...but I will say this the last time...NO employer can do whatever they want with you when they want...no one has that absolute power over anyone else...thats why theres courts of laws...unless you want alot more employees going postal and thining out the ranks of scumbag employers...

There are real challenges to our freedoms here in the US, and the danger comes from the faceless
Government. The IRS, the DEA, and now Homeland security, have very loosely defined powers to
remove your freedom. (or destroy your way of life).
All of that being said, corruption in government is the biggest threat to our freedoms.
General acceptance of corruption can restrain a society to the point of irrelevance.(Mexico)
Our freedoms are most at risk, when the people entrusted with guarding it, are willing to trade
it for profit!

Originally Posted by Quag

Yes some peoples views are bizzare, but if you look at each case then you can decide. Does owning a gun take away anothers rights? Nope. The use of the gun could take away rights, it could also defend them, depends on its use. Should mentally unstable or people with violent criminal histories be allowed guns? Here is a bit of grey spot, I would say yes because the likelyhood that they will use the gun to deny anothers rights is too large and the difference in what is taken away is huge,

Does the action lead to others rights being violated? Yes or no. The answer is at best a maybe. The choice has to be left open as a result. Preventive measures can only lead to innocents being punished and controlled.

Originally Posted by longview

There are real challenges to our freedoms here in the US, and the danger comes from the faceless
Government. The IRS, the DEA, and now Homeland security, have very loosely defined powers to
remove your freedom. (or destroy your way of life).
All of that being said, corruption in government is the biggest threat to our freedoms.
General acceptance of corruption can restrain a society to the point of irrelevance.(Mexico)
Our freedoms are most at risk, when the people entrusted with guarding it, are willing to trade
it for profit!

Some countries just have to worry about a REALLY BIG FREEDOM BUSTER...the military that the govt sends out to kill citizens that demand freedom...

Originally Posted by lpast

Youve changed the subject from this thread...but I will say this the last time...NO employer can do whatever they want with you when they want...no one has that absolute power over anyone else...thats why theres courts of laws...unless you want alot more employees going postal and thining out the ranks of scumbag employers...

I'm not changing the subject. Its related perfectly and shows what you just said you don't actually believe. Using hyperbole to expand ending a mutual agreement to control of people is not helpful either.

Originally Posted by Centinel

To take any action one chooses so long as it doesn't infringe on the freedom or property of another person.

And what happens when those freedoms clash?

Does the action lead to others rights being violated? Yes or no. The answer is at best a maybe. The choice has to be left open as a result. Preventive measures can only lead to innocents being punished and controlled.

If it is demonstrable that you pose a risk to use a gun in a way that would deny others their rights then I feel it is ok. Similarily I have no problems with restrictions to keep a pedophile from being around children. Yes the pedophiles freedoms are being curtailed but they have shown a propensity to take away others rights.

And what happens when those freedoms clash?

Then you have to decide which is the greater evil, sometimes hard to do, but since when was life without dilemas?