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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    from Henrin: "The goals of humanity revolve around freedom."

    The freedom to do what exactly?
    To take any action one chooses so long as it doesn't infringe on the freedom or property of another person.

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    I am Canadian I believe my country is just as free as the USA. In some respects we are freer in others we have less freedom. It all depends on exactly where you look.

    As to how I percieve freedom. I believe that your freedom ends where anothers begins. In other words you should be allowed to do anything you want as long as you don't interfere with anothers freedom.
    that interferes is good but some will claim if you are rich or successful you are interfering in their ability to be financially better. Some clowns claim if you own a gun you are interfering with their right to be safe. If you are involved in a gay marriage, you are interfering with the sanctity of their marriage

    in other words, some people have rather idiotic and subjective views of freedom

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    thanks but Jet seems not to know what whining is. that post of mine was not whining
    I whine...I admit it....I whine about public workers getting shafted and I whine about working americans being SCREWED by the rich...and I truly believe that is exactly whats going on...so we can have a mutual whine fest over that subject...lol

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    For the most part yes...humans should be as free as they can be....but unfortunately we humans are flawed...and have to be restrained from doing whatever WE WANT TO WHEN WE WANT TOO...
    You continue to fudge the term. I see no reason to continue this as you have clearly showed my point I was making to you.

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that interferes is good but some will claim if you are rich or successful you are interfering in their ability to be financially better. Some clowns claim if you own a gun you are interfering with their right to be safe. If you are involved in a gay marriage, you are interfering with the sanctity of their marriage

    in other words, some people have rather idiotic and subjective views of freedom
    Thats why I said...freedom is a perception...if you believe your free you are...Americans will never be happy...the only time they will say they are free if you give them whatever they want....and thats not going to happen...america is the freest of the free...and americans complain the most they arent free

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You continue to fudge the term. I see no reason to continue this as you have clearly showed my point I was making to you.
    Henrin get it right...you dont want to continue this because your wrong and you dont have a leg to stand on...lol...but thats ok you can blame me lol

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    henrin lets break this down ok....

    Is it a right of Freedom...to kill another human...or to rape a child...or to rape a woman...is it freedom to ram your car into your X wife because she rejected you for another. Is it freedom for me to walk in a restaurant and stick my finger in your food because i feel im free so I can do that....yes i know rediculous examples....but examples to show why humans Americans Included cannot have the FREEDOM to do whatever they want...some one has to make rules as to what they CANT DO...and I believe americans have the freedom to do more of what they want than any other on the planet...right now.
    I still want to know how you can not know the answer to these questions after talks with many posters on this forum about the term including myself.

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Thats why I said...freedom is a perception...if you believe your free you are...Americans will never be happy...the only time they will say they are free if you give them whatever they want....and thats not going to happen...america is the freest of the free...and americans complain the most they arent free

    true but there has been an erosion of freedoms. and as I noted, many of the welfare socialists believe that promoting income redistribution makes the recipients freer

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    I am Canadian I believe my country is just as free as the USA. In some respects we are freer in others we have less freedom. It all depends on exactly where you look.
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    but you do have more constrained freedom of speech.

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    Re: Is the U.S. still "the land of the free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    To take any action one chooses so long as it doesn't infringe on the freedom or property of another person.
    Thats why there has to be leaders to WRITE laws restricting what one person can do to another...that is not restricting their freedom...its assuring FREEDOM FOR ALL...the weak included...

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