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    Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    We've had several discussions here about employees being sacked for various reasons. I am just curious how many here believe an employer should be legally required to have a reason to fire someone. I personally believe a person should be able to be fired without cause. Otherwise you grant an employee a right to the job provided by the employer. IMO that is a constitutional breach that grants one person greater protection from the law than the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    We've had several discussions here about employees being sacked for various reasons. I am just curious how many here believe an employer should be legally required to have a reason to fire someone. I personally believe a person should be able to be fired without cause. Otherwise you grant an employee a right to the job provided by the employer. IMO that is a constitutional breach that grants one person greater protection from the law than the other.
    There should be only a reason if there is a contract between the two parties.

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    If the person fired has no complaints all is good...if the person fired has a story it should be heard...anyone that thinks all employers are honest and decent is nuts and that they have ABSOLUTE control over every one else is MORE NUTS....and there can be a myriad of reasons people are fired unfairly or worse...of course they should be heard....the constitution does not give certain people ABSOLUTE rights over others and doesnt allow for the creating of private Kingdoms....this new generation of rich folks have lost their minds...they think they now ENTITLED to it all...instead of just MOST...
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    yes, there should have to be a reason, and that reason should be explained to the fired employee, even if that reason is "we think we can increase our bottom line if we eliminate your position."

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    There are certain methods of recourse if the employee has good reason to believe that they have been fired for certain reasons. I'm not sure how I feel about having some restrictions on firing, but I most certainly do not think that it should be terribly difficult to do if no discrimination is involved and the burden of proof lies with the employee. Europe's labor markets have been heavily screwed up for years, and one of the main reasons is that it is incredibly difficult to fire people. This leads to lower productivity, labor that is less flexible, and higher unemployment since employers are less likely to gamble on a new employee if they figure they might have trouble firing them if the newbie isn't up to snuff. The restrictions might be designed to help working people and the economically vulnerable, but in practice the people hurt the most are the most economically vulnerable, the people without jobs. This is because these restrictions make it much harder for people to enter the market.
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    I don't think that it should be terribly hard to fire someone, but I do believe the reason for the firing should be given, in writing, so the person knows what they are getting fired for and can put that info out, if nothing else. Now, I also think that people should have legal recourse if they were fired for something that is just plain stupid. Basically, if it would be something that is prevented from being taken into consideration for hiring someone, then it should also not be a valid reason to fire someone for either.
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    the constitution does not give certain people ABSOLUTE rights over others
    Debatable, but certainly not with regards to employment. Private employment in the U.S. is nearly 100% voluntary both on the part of the employer, and the employee. There are certain labor laws, but none give absolute anything...so why are you bringing that up?

    and doesnt allow for the creating of private Kingdoms...
    Generally if the "kingdom" is abiding by the law, it certainly does.

    .this new generation of rich folks have lost their minds...they think they now ENTITLED to it all...instead of just MOST...
    You are making an insulting generalization, it's no different than blatant racism. You, based on your behavior, should be ashamed.

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    .and there can be a myriad of reasons people are fired unfairly or worse...of course they should be heard....
    What would you define as an "unfair firing"?
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Racism against the rich? How bizarre.

    All employees should have elementary protection from being fired on a whim. Contrary to popular American rightwing dogma, it's not impossible to fire anyone in Europe, they just have to have done something to deserve it.
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