It's the employers job. It's his money.
Fire at will, and quit at will - both should be decent enough to give two weeks notice / give a severance etc; but both must be left free actors.
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Last edited by Manc Skipper; 05-03-12 at 06:15 AM.
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they should not have to have a reason beyond any agreement qith the employee.
looking at France, it appears that being too restrictive about firing depresses hiring.
Unless there is a contract with stipulations in the private sector, then no. (public sector is different) However.... the terminated employee has a right to petition for a reason and if none is still given, then that cannot be used against them in any way with future employment. The employers who terminated without just cause must issue a statement that there was no just cause for termination. Empoyers must also be truthful about any causes. If an employee is terminated and not given a reason, the employer then cannot later give one.
Last edited by 00timh; 05-03-12 at 08:49 AM.
If we look at the question through the present legal filter, yes, in most cases the employer should not have to give the employee a (truthful) reason for firing the employee.
But law is often tilted in the direction of the ideology in power at the time of enactment, and once enacted, takes more than just a pendulum-swing in power to reverse. And even if reversal occurs, does either/or simply because of who's in power make any liberty or justice sense as far as doing the right thing in the situation, especially if there might be a more complex right answer than the simple either-or from who's in power?
For those of you who fully support the employer not having to give a truthful reason to the fired employee in most cases, according to law, would you still be citing the law as good if the law said the reverse?
To me, the question isn't asking what the law states at present or even should state at present, from a political persuasion perspective.
To me, the question is what is really the right thing to do in this situation by the parties involved?
That's why I believe that the liberty and justice of neither party, the employer or the employee, should be infringed in the matter.
At first glance, therefore, it appeared to me that the employee's justice was needlessly being infringed by not receiving a truthful reason, and that neither the employer's liberty or justice was being infringed by providing one.
Thus I say the employer should be required to provide the employee a truthful reason for the firing, and that the law should be changed to reflect that.
But maybe if I analyzed this more deeply, using the same liberty and justice for all criteria, my analysis might reveal a different, more complex answer to the question to insure the best possible outcome of maintaining an optimal balance of freedom and security for both parties.
I guess what I'm saying is that the method we employ and the depth we pursue the analysis to decide the matter is really huge.
It's less a question, perhaps, of which of the two poll-answers you would choose.
And more a question of what method would you use to decide.
I think that typically people use their particular political persuasion as an off-the-cuff response, as that's pretty easy to do.
But I don't believe that really arrives at the right-thing-to-do answer as often as people might want to think.
Last edited by Ontologuy; 05-03-12 at 10:00 AM.
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