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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    I mean real reasons like that must be valid for firing one
    Those are "real reasons". I own a business, I hire you, I don't like your attitude or the way you do the job or even the way you dress for work. I fire you and hire somebody else. It's MY business, lol, and I'll fire if I want to!

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Those are "real reasons". I own a business, I hire you, I don't like your attitude or the way you do the job or even the way you dress for work. I fire you and hire somebody else. It's MY business, lol, and I'll fire if I want to!
    I think this is the first time we are in agreement ever. You may want to rethink, LOL

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    We've had several discussions here about employees being sacked for various reasons. I am just curious how many here believe an employer should be legally required to have a reason to fire someone. I personally believe a person should be able to be fired without cause. Otherwise you grant an employee a right to the job provided by the employer. IMO that is a constitutional breach that grants one person greater protection from the law than the other.
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    On the contrary, all jobs have common employment themes, hours of work, rates of pay, skills required, performance, etc. Verthaine's list on the last page would get a European worker fired. The "three-strikes" type rule is widely applied, but if a failure is severe enough, instant dismissal is an option here too.
    Not personally liking someone is not an adequate reason to take away their livelihood, and begs the question why you would have employed them in the first place.
    Many employers can hire people and realize later that the worker does not meet the standards of the company. Every employer-employee relationship is different. At the very least, giving a set number of acceptable reasons for dismissal puts the burden of proof on the employer. This inherently makes all dismissals more difficult and more of a hassle. Because of this, employers will be less likely to hire new people just entering the market.
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Many employers can hire people and realize later that the worker does not meet the standards of the company. Every employer-employee relationship is different. At the very least, giving a set number of acceptable reasons for dismissal puts the burden of proof on the employer. This inherently makes all dismissals more difficult and more of a hassle. Because of this, employers will be less likely to hire new people just entering the market.
    No - I'm more than happy to tell someone why it didn't work out: maybe they can work on issues and improve things? But I usually did that first - gave chances to change, first. . . I never fired willy nilly because I've been fired unexpectedly and it sucks.
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    We've had several discussions here about employees being sacked for various reasons. I am just curious how many here believe an employer should be legally required to have a reason to fire someone. I personally believe a person should be able to be fired without cause. Otherwise you grant an employee a right to the job provided by the employer. IMO that is a constitutional breach that grants one person greater protection from the law than the other.
    I think that an employer should be required to give exact reason and proof of that reason for firing someone. But beyond that I think that an employer should be able to fire a person for any reason that does not include gender, sexuality, race, religion, political party, or the employee saying something bad outside of company property/time.
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Should employees be legally required to provide a reason for quitting?
    The relationship is not one of equal power, in most cases, so this question is irrelevant.
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Absent a contract with delineated rights and liabilities regarding both parties, I am very comfortable with the standard that termination can be for any reason or no reason as long as it is not an illegal reason. Generally, a person is given the amount of time where in between paychecks before termination becomes effective. To have any other system would be to erode the free enterprise system and have a chilling effect on small business ownership. Should an employee feel they were wrongfully terminated they are left to their remedies.

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    I would agree that employers should be required to give a reason. Problem is, they are scared of lawsuits and will not give the correct reason.

    To force employers to give a reason under current law is pointless. I do think most employers, will at least tell the reason indirectly.

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Those are "real reasons". I own a business, I hire you, I don't like your attitude or the way you do the job or even the way you dress for work. I fire you and hire somebody else. It's MY business, lol, and I'll fire if I want to!
    yes diana ,i agree with you and mean that that is a real reason in fact ))
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