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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Y'all can be as incensed as you want about the "unfairness" of being fired "for no reason", but the bottom line is that unless termination procedures are documented in a contract or personnel manual, most businesses have the right to fire any employee for any reason... or even for no reason at all.

    If I'm the owner of a small business, I hire a kitchen worker who has a surly attitude, I'll fire his ass for the surly attitude. If he doesn't have a surly attitude, but talks non-stop and screws up kitchen communication, I'll fire his ass. If he just smirks and makes faces at people, I'll fire his ass. If I find out that I just don't like the guy, you bet your bongos I'll fire his ass for that, too.

    My company, my business, I can hire whomever I please for whatever reason I please, and I also fire whomever I please. I don't have a duty to employ you if I've decided you're not the person I want in that job. Employees don't run the company; the owner runs the company. Kick and scream and hold your breath until you turn blue at the "unfairness" of it all, it is still my company and my right to decide who does or doesn't work for me.

    (A pattern of long-term illegal descriminatory practices excepted, of course.)
    Small business I agree, you can fire at will......any large business no..and thats been proven time over in courts...there are avenues for small business people fired to air thier beefs...most dont

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Small business I agree, you can fire at will......any large business no..and thats been proven time over in courts...there are avenues for small business people fired to air thier beefs...most dont
    Large businesses and public entities (municipalities, etc.) must conform to the provisions of their personnel policies or private/union contracts... but they can still fire for just about any reason. There are higher documentation standards, but the reason for the firing could be as simple as "unsuitable personality for the position", codespeak for "nobody likes the guy".

    Also, most larger employers have a mandatory probationary period, during which time the employee can be terminated at a moment's notice with no reason required.
    Last edited by DiAnna; 05-02-12 at 10:01 PM.

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Large businesses and public entities (municipalities, etc.) must conform to the provisions of their personnel policies or private/union contracts... but they can still fire for just about any reason. There are higher documentation standards, but the reason for the firing could be as simple as "unsuitable personality for the position", codespeak for "nobody likes the guy".
    Di..employers lose descrimination cases all the time and in Non union shops...employers cannot do whatever they want to whenever they want...most people dont challenge them...but many that do win...

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    I have fired men because I didn't like their attitudes, no explanation at all, just said don't be here tomorrow.

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I think it's absolutely rotten and morally bankrupt to fire a person without any freaking reason.

    You're not dealing with material trinkets, but living, breathing humans that may have families they're trying to support.
    Your boyfriend/girlfriend doesn't have to justify breaking up with, just like an employer doesn't have to justify letting you go. You have to either find your soulmate of a job, or work hard enough to convince your employer to keep you over others.
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Di..employers lose descrimination cases all the time and in Non union shops...employers cannot do whatever they want to whenever they want...most people dont challenge them...but many that do win...
    Descrimination cases are different. To win a descrimination case, the defendant must be proven to have engaged in repeated, documented, wrongful terminations based upon a protected status... age, race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religious beliefs... over such a period of time as to prove deliberate, descriminatory intent. There would usually have to be dozens upon dozens of people claiming they were descriminated against.

    This is not the same as a company firing an employee they no longer wanted. For a single individual to win a descrimination case, there would have to be documentation of harassment based on their personal status, and incredibly stupid, documented statements that the individual was being terminated solely because of their personal status. That almost never happens.

    Am I making sense?


    Hundreds of thousands of people are terminated every year. Only a handful end up in court, and of them only a fraction ever win.
    Last edited by DiAnna; 05-02-12 at 10:10 PM.

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    I cant accept such a right ,not every excuse should be a reason to fire people.
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    I cant accept such a right ,not every excuse should be a reason to fire people.
    That's unreasonable. If I hire you to do a job, you don't do the job the way I want it done, I have the right to fire you and hire someone else. If I hire you to do a job, you do okay but not great, my profits go down and I have to cut expenses, I have a right to fire you. Simple, really.

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Descrimination cases are different. To win a descrimination case, the defendant must be proven to have engaged in repeated, documented, wrongful terminations based upon a protected status... age, race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religious beliefs... over such a period of time as to prove deliberate, descriminatory intent. There would usually have to be dozens upon dozens of people claiming they were descriminated against.

    This is not the same as a company firing an employee they no longer wanted. For a single individual to win a descrimination case, there would have to be documentation of harassment based on their personal status, and incredibly stupid, documented statements that the individual was being terminated solely because of their personal status. That almost never happens.

    Am I making sense?


    Hundreds of thousands of people are terminated every year. Only a handful end up in court, and of them only a fraction ever win.

    Of course your making sense ...I was thinking while reading this thread...why unions are necessary lol...I know that will start a chit storm...lol

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    That's unreasonable. If I hire you to do a job, you don't do the job the way I want it done, I have the right to fire you and hire someone else. If I hire you to do a job, you do okay but not great, my profits go down and I have to cut expenses, I have a right to fire you. Simple, really.
    I mean real reasons like that must be valid for firing one
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