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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    The only problem that I have with companies being allowed to fire employees at a whim (i.e. they weren't fired for poor performance or anything they did wrong) is that the term 'fired' has a pretty negative connotation. If you get let go from your job and they say you were fired, it's going to be harder for you to get another job. I don't think employees should have to put up with the stigma of being fired if they were just let go because the company needs to save money, or they decided the person's position is redundant. Then again, if you required them to have a reason to fire someone, if they really wanted to get rid of the person, they'd just make something up.

    The best compromise might be to let companies fire employees for whatever reason they want, but require that if they are contacted about why that person no longer works there, they must truthfully distinguish between employees who were fired for poor performance, and those who performed fine and were fired anyway.
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I am waiting for a response to this:

    If there is no reason to fire and employee why would and employer want to do it?
    For a number of reasons:

    What is you had a bigoted employer that decided he wanted to fire an employee because they were gay or muslim?

    What if you had a sexist employer that wanted to fire a woman because she was pregnant or refused his advances?


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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Not personally liking someone is not an adequate reason to take away their livelihood, and begs the question why you would have employed them in the first place.
    It is impossible to fully know someone before you hire them; it's almost like marrying someone on the 2nd or third date. That, many times, leads to divorce. That should about answer your question.

    A person's livlihood is there own responsibility. While I feel that a company has a moral obligation to treat its workers well, I don't believe they have or should have the legal obligation to do so. It's important for neither the employee nor the company to be trapped.

    The best compromise might be to let companies fire employees for whatever reason they want, but require that if they are contacted about why that person no longer works there, they must truthfully distinguish between employees who were fired for poor performance, and those who performed fine and were fired anyway.
    This already occurs, at least in my state. When a company fires a person, they file unemployment. In order not to have to pay their unemployment dollar for dollar, they must justify the firing to the labor department.
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I am waiting for a response to this:

    If there is no reason to fire and employee why would and employer want to do it?
    Because some have their own agendas.

    My mother was fired from one of her jobs for not getting a checking account at a certain bank for her check to be deposited into (she had a savings account at a different bank). Before she got home from the meeting in which she was fired, the guy was calling the house (it happened when I was a teen), in the first of many attempts to try to get her to come back. (She didn't since it wouldn't have been on her record that they fired her for such a stupid thing (it was done in the first couple of weeks she worked there) and, as a nurse, they could do something while she was working there that got her in enough trouble to lose her license or worse.)
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Doing business in the United States does not come without a cost. Part of the cost of taking advantage of the vast resources of this country is adhering to the laws and values of this land. This includes abiding by the U.S. Constitution and its civil rights protections. This is why an employer cannot fire an employee on a whim or because they don't approve of their lifestyle, religion, etc.
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    I don't see it as my prerogative to tell another person who they may hire and fire and why they may or may not hire and fire them. And I damn sure would never draw a weapon in order to force them to obey my commands.

    Were I to attempt to do so, I would expect to be looking down the barrel of their weapon, and they would have every right to shoot me for attempting to subjugate and enslave them.

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    I think it's absolutely rotten and morally bankrupt to fire a person without any freaking reason.

    You're not dealing with material trinkets, but living, breathing humans that may have families they're trying to support.

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I think it's absolutely rotten and morally bankrupt to fire a person without any freaking reason.

    You're not dealing with material trinkets, but living, breathing humans that may have families they're trying to support.
    I agree with you.

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    If they turn up on time, rarely go sick, perform their job, and get along with the other employees, why should they be fired without reason?
    Some doesnt like you...you wont screw the boss, you did screw the boss so he is firing someone to promote you....your black...your hispanic...your white...your chinese...your gay...your ugly...you fart too much...
    cmon man...people do get fired for a myriad of reasons and it doesnt have to be they are bad employees...

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Y'all can be as incensed as you want about the "unfairness" of being fired "for no reason", but the bottom line is that unless termination procedures are documented in a contract or personnel manual, most businesses have the right to fire any employee for any reason... or even for no reason at all.

    If I'm the owner of a small business, I hire a kitchen worker who has a surly attitude, I'll fire his ass for the surly attitude. If he doesn't have a surly attitude, but talks non-stop and screws up kitchen communication, I'll fire his ass. If he just smirks and makes faces at people, I'll fire his ass. If I find out that I just don't like the guy, you bet your bongos I'll fire his ass for that, too.

    My company, my business, I can hire whomever I please for whatever reason I please, and I also fire whomever I please. I don't have a duty to employ you if I've decided you're not the person I want in that job. Employees don't run the company; the owner runs the company. Kick and scream and hold your breath until you turn blue at the "unfairness" of it all, it is still my company and my right to decide who does or doesn't work for me.

    (A pattern of long-term illegal descriminatory practices excepted, of course.)

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