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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Absolutely not as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of that person (say race, religion, age, sexual orientation, etc.)

    Other then that..there should be no government involvement.
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Debatable, but certainly not with regards to employment. Private employment in the U.S. is nearly 100% voluntary both on the part of the employer, and the employee. There are certain labor laws, but none give absolute anything...so why are you bringing that up?


    Generally if the "kingdom" is abiding by the law, it certainly does.


    You are making an insulting generalization, it's no different than blatant racism. You, based on your behavior, should be ashamed.

    The first topic is not debateable as I see it.....the second let me clear up..i meant private employment Kingdoms where the are king and their word cannot be questioned....and the third is perception and my perception based on years of experience are the Rich were far more moderate and caring for their employeed and they shared some of their Profits with those that DO THE LABOR TO ENABLE THEM TO BE RICH...today the teaparty attitude is were rich its ALL ours and we want more and we want to take it from you...that is my personal perception and that is why I am a newly registered independent and not a republican any longer

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Racism against the rich? How bizarre.

    All employees should have elementary protection from being fired on a whim. Contrary to popular American rightwing dogma, it's not impossible to fire anyone in Europe, they just have to have done something to deserve it.
    And who determines what constitutes "deserving it"? No one said that it was impossible, but there are far more regulations on it than in the USA in many countries.
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    In any ongoing trading relationship, either participant should be free to discontinue the relationship at any time for any reason.

    A buyer should be able to stop buying whenever they wish, and a seller should be able to stop selling whenever they wish.

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    If they turn up on time, rarely go sick, perform their job, and get along with the other employees, why should they be fired without reason?
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    I have fired employees for these following reasons:

    Theft.
    Disrespecting my customers.
    Destruction of my property.
    Sexual (or any other form of) Harassment.
    Being drunk/drinking on duty
    Doing drugs while on duty.
    Coming to work "wasted".
    Insubordination
    Constant lateness
    Constant absenteeism
    Assault
    Safety violations
    Health code violations
    Having three "write ups" in a 3 month period
    The economy tanked and I have to cut labor to keep the place open (though with this one I have rehired those laid off when things got better)

    My employees know exactly what I expect from my employees,and if they can't do what the job demands,it's out the door with them.
    I have never fired someone due to race,creed,color,gender,sexual orientaition,political beliefssmoker/non-smoker,height or weight.

    Depending on the severety of their infractions,I can give a verbal warning,a "write up",suspension for a certion time limit,or immediate termination (and in some cases I call the cops and have the offender arrested).

    My "kingdom",my rules.I don't force my employees to seek employment from me in the first place,and I don't prevent them from quitting if they don't like the way I run my "kingdom".
    Technically I am not required by law to explain why I fire them,becuase they already know why.

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    We've had several discussions here about employees being sacked for various reasons. I am just curious how many here believe an employer should be legally required to have a reason to fire someone. I personally believe a person should be able to be fired without cause. Otherwise you grant an employee a right to the job provided by the employer. IMO that is a constitutional breach that grants one person greater protection from the law than the other.
    No - but if someone feels they were wrongfully fired by all means: they should be able to prove they were worthy of the job.

    But all too often when someone complains that it was unjust firing - once you learn about the situation you see why they were let go of and sometimes you wonder why it didn't happen sooner.

    Of course - if you fire someone and you don't have a solid defense then you're facing a possibility of being ruled against in some fashion.

    But I don't think anything should reinstate said employee back into that work environment - that's just creating more issues.
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    I feel an employer should have the right to fire whomever they chose for any reason whatsoever, or no reason at all. Besides if your employer has no good reason other then not liking you personally the chances are you would be happier somewhere else anyway.

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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    As long as former employees who feel targeted or wronged have a recourse to challenge termination, I see no reason why company should have the obligation to present a reason to the terminated employee. Texas is at-will, and I can terminate any of my techs for any reason unrelated to discrimination, without justification provided to that employee. To protect us from lengthy and expensive labor suits we often document and provide thorough explanations for our decisions, however.
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    Re: Should an employer be legally required to have a reason to fire an employee?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    If they turn up on time, rarely go sick, perform their job, and get along with the other employees, why should they be fired without reason?
    Every job is different and requires different standards. Trying to impose blanket regulations covers up a lot of gray area.
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