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    Re: Freedom of speech

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Show the post: I remember saying that there was a convoluted statement made, but I don't where it is actually.
    Nope. It is just a few pages back if that. You can look it up or I will just chalk it up to you being wrong.
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    Re: Freedom of speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Nope. It is just a few pages back if that. You can look it up or I will just chalk it up to you being wrong.
    Right: post # 43; CPWILL

    absolutely not. that is why, for example, universities should have the right to disassociate themselves from lunatic professors who go off spouting on little eichmans' and the like.
    His response has nothing to do with above poster’s comment. Universities should disassociate? Lunatic professors? Little eichman’s?? Nowhere in the thread up to that point is any such mention of anything the poster alludes to made! It’s a cryptic and convoluted statement that says nothing actually, which is why I followed up by saying it was convoluted, and CPWILL obviously had no answer; and neither do you.
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    Re: Freedom of speech

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Right: post # 43; CPWILL



    His response has nothing to do with above poster’s comment. Universities should disassociate? Lunatic professors? Little eichman’s?? Nowhere in the thread up to that point is any such mention of anything the poster alludes to made! It’s a cryptic and convoluted statement that says nothing actually, which is why I followed up by saying it was convoluted, and CPWILL obviously had no answer; and neither do you.
    Dude, I already addressed this and you insulted my reading comprehension. It is obvious you don't get it.

    Originally Posted by megaprogman
    Starting with the Rush Limbaugh thing and also continuing with some of the comments I see about the idea of disclosure of political donations. There seems to be an idea that speech is not free if people react negatively to what someone says.

    For example, there was a claim made by some that Rush Limbaugh was losing his free speech rights because people boycotted his advertisers and there seems to be similar fears about disclosure of PAC or campaign contributions.

    So my question is this, is the first amendment harmed if the citizenry refuses to associate with or purchase from someone because they dislike their speech? Similarly, is this impugned if people threaten to do the same if someone decides to make such a statement in the future? (example, don't talk bad about puppies or I will never buy from your store again and I will write a letter to your job's complaint department.)

    Originally Posted by cpwill
    absolutely not. that is why, for example, universities should have the right to disassociate themselves from lunatic professors who go off spouting on little eichmans' and the like.
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    Re: Freedom of speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Dude, I already addressed this and you insulted my reading comprehension. It is obvious you don't get it.
    Dude: the guy made a convoluted statement. His statement says nothing about free speech. He leaves no clue to what he's trying to say.

    So, you think what you want to think, and I'll think what I want to think.

    Howzat?
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    Re: Freedom of speech

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Isn't quote "shouting down" someone else's point of view simply free speech of another form? May the best man win
    I agree with this, but it has to be allowable on all sides. I sure remember some people taking issue with constituents "shouting down" local politicians at town hall meetings during the health care debate.

    On the OP, boycotts are fine, but again, it cuts all ways. Other people's boycott list my just be my list of preferred businesses (I'm thinking of the boycott against Arizona businesses during the immigration law debate). On the Rush thing, the businesses that pulled their advertising actually suffered some backlash and, I'm guessing we'd all agree, that that's perfectly fine too.

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    Re: Freedom of speech

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I agree with this, but it has to be allowable on all sides. I sure remember some people taking issue with constituents "shouting down" local politicians at town hall meetings during the health care debate.

    On the OP, boycotts are fine, but again, it cuts all ways. Other people's boycott list my just be my list of preferred businesses (I'm thinking of the boycott against Arizona businesses during the immigration law debate). On the Rush thing, the businesses that pulled their advertising actually suffered some backlash and, I'm guessing we'd all agree, that that's perfectly fine too.
    I would say that's more a matter of decorum and civility than law. I am in favor of 1st Amendment rights. I'm not against folks shouting down other folks at town hall meetings, legally speaking. I just think it's rude.
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    Re: Freedom of speech

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Dude: the guy made a convoluted statement. His statement says nothing about free speech. He leaves no clue to what he's trying to say.

    So, you think what you want to think, and I'll think what I want to think.

    Howzat?
    Wrong. He does. Mega talks about the 1st Amendment being harmed and Will answers that it is not harmed. The 1st is about Freedom of Speech.

    End of story...

    Go ahead and think what you want though.
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