View Poll Results: Free speech question

Voters
28. You may not vote on this poll
  • yes

    2 7.14%
  • no

    25 89.29%
  • rootabega (for goshin)

    1 3.57%
Page 3 of 9 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 87

Thread: Freedom of speech

  1. #21
    Basketball Nerd
    StillBallin75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Vilseck, Germany
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 07:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    21,896

    Re: Freedom of speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Free speech is a two-way road.

    You have the right to speak your mind, and other people have the right to disassociate from you. That's one good part of America imo.

    However, political correctness is one thing that hampers free speech.
    Yes, but political correctness refers more to social convention than 1st Amendment rights than legal limits on free speech.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

  2. #22
    American
    cpgrad08's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Lakewood,WA
    Last Seen
    10-18-17 @ 07:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    5,388
    Blog Entries
    10
    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Political correctness is an agreed on use of language and is the byproduct of people having to live with each other and preferring not to be at each other's throats all the time.
    d

    How can PC be agreed if many people ( like myself) don't agree on or believe in PC BS.

    Sent from my SGH-T959V using Tapatalk 2

  3. #23
    Professor
    Phoenix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    04-27-17 @ 10:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,782

    Re: Freedom of speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    "Boycotting" is a part of the 1st amendment. As much a part of it as Rush Limbaugh's statements, The Dixie Chick's statements, Ted Nugent's statements, and even Debate politics website here! People forget that the protections afforded in the 1st amendment are from the government. The people are plenty free to speak against you for your stupid statements.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm sorry to say, you're wrong on one point. The 1st Amendment is not afforded "from the government". The Amendments and the Constitution were meant and are "limitations of government". The government didn't give me or any other citizen of this country living or dead, anything that they didn't already have... it DID however limit government from taking action against it's citizens and does not allow the government to take actions of speech which it doesn't agree with... hence, the freedom of speech.
    You misread that (or possible I punctuated incorrectly) The protections afforded a person in the 1st amendment are protections from the government not protections from other individuals. I didn't mean to state that they come from the government.
    From the ashes.

  4. #24
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Last Seen
    02-13-13 @ 12:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    18,536
    Blog Entries
    4

    Re: Freedom of speech

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Yes, but political correctness refers more to social convention than 1st Amendment rights than legal limits on free speech.
    I honestly don't see how that is.

    To me it seems that the government itself forces political correctness on others, at the rish of losing their jobs/etc should they refuse. Personally I don't think it's the government's place to decide what's correct and what isn't.

  5. #25
    Sage
    jet57's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    not here
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:52 AM
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    24,681

    Re: Freedom of speech

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Starting with the Rush Limbaugh thing and also continuing with some of the comments I see about the idea of disclosure of political donations. There seems to be an idea that speech is not free if people react negatively to what someone says.

    For example, there was a claim made by some that Rush Limbaugh was losing his free speech rights because people boycotted his advertisers and there seems to be similar fears about disclosure of PAC or campaign contributions.

    So my question is this, is the first amendment harmed if the citizenry refuses to associate with or purchase from someone because they dislike their speech? Similarly, is this impugned if people threaten to do the same if someone decides to make such a statement in the future? (example, don't talk bad about puppies or I will never buy from your store again and I will write a letter to your job's complaint department.)


    Free Speech is in no danger whatsoever. Lush Rumbaugh et al use "free speech" to rile up the minions: the same way the NRA uses the 2nd Amendment to sell themselves.

    The radio and televison airways belong to the general public, so goes the censoring . . . Now of course when people demand that Lumbaugh or some other jerk be taken off the air, such personalities claim a violation of free speech; of course just to get a rise and to place their name further into the public's line of sight.

    It's all a stupid game fueled by people who really don't give a damn.
    Last edited by jet57; 04-30-12 at 03:12 PM.
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

  6. #26
    Doesn't go below juicy
    tacomancer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Cleveland
    Last Seen
    05-20-16 @ 02:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    31,781

    Re: Freedom of speech

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    d

    How can PC be agreed if many people ( like myself) don't agree on or believe in PC BS.

    Sent from my SGH-T959V using Tapatalk 2
    Because it is still a dominant social convention as few people wish to bear the stigma of using words or phrases deemed bad by our culture, even if they personally disagree. Its the same as people disliking others using words like **** or ****. Many people use it quite frequency in their personal lives or peer groups, but tend to shy away from saying it to general audiences.

  7. #27
    Sage
    lpast's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Fla
    Last Seen
    05-21-16 @ 10:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    13,565

    Re: Freedom of speech

    Free speech means to some they can abuse you and call you names if you disagree with them..

  8. #28
    Sage
    lpast's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Fla
    Last Seen
    05-21-16 @ 10:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    13,565

    Re: Freedom of speech

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Yes, but political correctness refers more to social convention than 1st Amendment rights than legal limits on free speech.
    Political Correctness to some has morphed into this lalaland belief that they can abuse anyone for disagreeing with them with impunity...

  9. #29
    Doesn't go below juicy
    tacomancer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Cleveland
    Last Seen
    05-20-16 @ 02:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    31,781

    Re: Freedom of speech

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Political Correctness to some has morphed into this lalaland belief that they can abuse anyone for disagreeing with them with impunity...
    Any social convention will have a social enforcement component. Otherwise it would never have become a convention in the first place. This is one of the informal ways that humans regulate their social landscape.

    At its core, its no different than picking the fat kid last to play kickball.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 04-30-12 at 03:18 PM.

  10. #30
    Sage
    lpast's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Fla
    Last Seen
    05-21-16 @ 10:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    13,565

    Re: Freedom of speech

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Because it is still a dominant social convention as few people wish to bear the stigma of using words or phrases deemed bad by our culture, even if they personally disagree. Its the same as people disliking others using words like **** or ****. Many people use it quite frequency in their personal lives or peer groups, but tend to shy away from saying it to general audiences.
    I never get offended by someones speech or beliefs until they bring it to me on a personal level....Im for this...Your not...does that mean we call each other names and degrade each other all day long in the HOPES that one side will gave in and say OK OK UNCLE im for whatever you want me to be for..
    lol...what planet did they come from lol

Page 3 of 9 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •