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Re: Do you believe in God?
There is a God and it is not me.
There is a God and it is not me.
I agree. I consider it equally as presumptuous for an atheist to declare that there with certainty is no god as it is for a theist to proclaim with certainty the opposite.
I don't know for certain that there is no FSM, but I dismiss belief in it.
He is real, and you will never be able to accept that until you allow yourself to be touched by His Noodly Appendage.
Hey I am retired and have a comfortable income.....Oh and sadly I don't have a life except to fire up you lefties........:lamo
That is true.....Conservatives have jobs...they don't have time to play around in DP like our left wing unemployed friends......
I hate to trot out the FSM every time someone trots out "atheism is arrogant, agnostic is the only humble position". But, since I am not 'hard' atheist, and am yet exceedingly dismissive of belief in gods, I am genuinely interested as to whether I fit the "humble agnostic" criteria.
Prove it. Produce your objective evidence that this is true.
I am an agnostic atheist. Though that usually confuses the average person which is why I usually just say I am an atheist. So if you want to call yourself an agnostic, fine, but just know that you are also either an atheist or a theist.
Wow! NP being honest!so, you admit to posting for the sole purpose of provoking & annoying people...and not for honest & intelligent debate.
We appreciate your honesty.
Q.E.D.
My problem with discussions like this is how dickish people that believe in God can get, and how incredibly unwarranted dickish atheist can get. I've also never understood how a group of people can have such a disgust for religion but treat not being religious like they are Jehovah's witnesses.
Your post suggests that there are only two types of agnostics, agnostic theists and agnostic atheists. I suggest there are three. I used to be an agnostic theist, but over the last few months have transitioned to straight agnostic. Meaning: I see an equal amount of lack of evidence for and against the existence of a god. You don't have to lean to one side or another.
Atheism and theism have nothing to do with knowledge, only belief...
Atheism and theism have nothing to do with knowledge, only belief. You have a belief or you don't. It is a binary position. How can one not be sure if they have a belief? That said, I realize this type of discussion can spiral into one of semantics and I am not trying to tell you what to call yourself.
Agnosticism is not some fence sitting middle ground between theism and atheism, though.
Theism and atheism speaks to the BELIEF in the existence of a god or gods.
Gnosticism and agnosticism speak to the KNOWLEDGE of the existence of a god or gods.
Do you have a belief in a god or gods? This is a yes or no question. The belief may be right or wrong, but you either have it or you don’t. You can’t not know if you have a belief in something. If your first instinct is to say you don’t know then you are an atheist.
But do you claim to KNOW whether or not a god or gods exist? Most atheists and many theists will answer no to this question. They are agnostic. To be gnostic is to claim you KNOW. It doesn’t mean you are right of course. Many religious people claim to know God exists because they believe he revealed himself to them in some manner. So let’s recap:
Agnostic atheist – one who doesn’t claim to know that a god or gods exist but has no belief in it/them
Gnostic atheist – one who claims to know that a god or gods don’t exist and thus has no belief in it/them
Agnostic theist – one who doesn’t claim to know that a god or gods exist but does have a belief in it/them
Gnostic theist – one who claims to know that a god or gods exist and thus has a belief in it/them
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I am an agnostic atheist. Though that usually confuses the average person which is why I usually just say I am an atheist. So if you want to call yourself an agnostic, fine, but just know that you are also either an atheist or a theist.
No, but I respect all beliefs and theories as long as others respect mine, but this is not so. I will continue to live my life to the fullest and perhaps I'll find purpose or self-gratification there.
Yes, and I'm intolerant of the dangerous/radically different beliefs of others, I'm particularly intolerant of the belief that all beliefs deserve the same equal respect.
That would mean you are just as intolerant as the intolerant radicals. Who the hell cares what other people believe? You control your own life.
That would mean you are just as intolerant as the intolerant radicals. Who the hell cares what other people believe? You control your own life.
wrong.
many Atheists & Agnistics believe as they do..due to the lack of hard scientific evidence for the existence of "God".
Apologies, I didn't word that correctly. Of course the things one knows informs what one believes. What I meant was, atheism and theism are not claims of knowledge, but claims of belief. Agnosticism and gnosticism are claims of knowledge.