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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    I tried to read Of Pandas and People a while back, and it was filled with misrepresentations, false assumptions, and a complete misunderstanding of both the fundamental tenets of science, and for established scientific theories (other than evolution, I mean). I have searched far and wide for any real scientific data put forth by ID supporters in its favor. I have thus far found none. I beseech anyone in this thread who supports ID to provide some.
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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yes, exterior to consciousness. Gravity exists whether there's anyone around to observe it or not. If humans had never existed, animals would still fall out of trees because of gravity.
    And yet gravity itself is a phenomenon we both investigate and label by means of that which we ourselves contrive. And not while we're either unconscious, or not in existence.

    That's because human knowledge is always provisional. We only "know" what we "know" based on current understanding. It's always open to revision as we learn more about the universe around us.
    Then a fact may be amended? As if to suggest that facts are by no means insuperable?

    At the time people believed in a flat earth, their "science" wasn't very rigorous. Many ancient people knew the Earth wasn't flat, they could see it every time they looked at the moon. In fact, most of the people who believed the Earth was flat did so for religious, not scientific reasons. Once science came on the scene, it became clear from the evidence that the planet was, in fact, relatively spherical. It just took throwing religion out the window for the actual facts to come to light.
    Actually 'most people' weren't in a position to 'know' either way. They were the ignorant and unschooled masses. And even for the learned gentry of that time, it was theory only.

    And the postulate of a spherical earth predates secularisation.

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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    One note interesting to me. We have a poll currently 33 votes, not one believing that intelligent design is scientific theory. Yet there are many who advocate its teaching in schools. Where are the believers?

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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    One note interesting to me. We have a poll currently 33 votes, not one believing that intelligent design is scientific theory. Yet there are many who advocate its teaching in schools. Where are the believers?
    It might be that the most basic tenant of intelligent design is being overlooked: Intelligent design a.k.a., creationism, is FAITH based, not scientific theory. While historic information does support some of the Christian religion, it's certainly not scientific, nor was it or is it meant to be.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    One note interesting to me. We have a poll currently 33 votes, not one believing that intelligent design is scientific theory. Yet there are many who advocate its teaching in schools. Where are the believers?
    I support only the position that such design includes features we identify as both replicable and ordered.

    I'll not push my religious beliefs, since it would be inappropriate.

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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It might be that the most basic tenant of intelligent design is being overlooked: Intelligent design a.k.a., creationism, is FAITH based, not scientific theory. While historic information does support some of the Christian religion, it's certainly not scientific, nor was it or is it meant to be.
    I agree, but some don't:

    Intelligent design (ID) is the empirically testable[1] theory that the natural world shows signs of having been designed by a purposeful, intelligent cause.[2

    Intelligent design - Conservapedia

    ID seeks to redefine science in a fundamental way that would invoke supernatural explanations, a viewpoint known as theistic science.

    Intelligent design - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In fact, ID is a logical inference, based on data gathered from the natural world, and hence it is firmly in the realm of science.

    Richard Buggs: Intelligent design is a science, not a faith | Comment is free | The Guardian

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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    Intelligent Design is nothing more than repackaged creationist nonsense. The amazing thing I've noticed about these "scientific" creationists is how much they dance around what the word "designer" means. They don't even consider Occam's razor when proposing that because the eye is too complicated to arrive through natural means, the "simpler" answer is that a intelligent designer made it. This theory raises way more questions than it answers.

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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I agree, but some don't:

    Intelligent design (ID) is the empirically testable[1] theory that the natural world shows signs of having been designed by a purposeful, intelligent cause.[2

    Intelligent design - Conservapedia

    ID seeks to redefine science in a fundamental way that would invoke supernatural explanations, a viewpoint known as theistic science.

    Intelligent design - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In fact, ID is a logical inference, based on data gathered from the natural world, and hence it is firmly in the realm of science.

    Richard Buggs: Intelligent design is a science, not a faith | Comment is free | The Guardian
    It's an unprovable position they take - it cannot be proven (I would say NEVER but...) with the scientific method and it always comes back to faith. I guess some have to try and push the argument to give it validity or maybe it's a competition of some type.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's an unprovable position they take - it cannot be proven (I would say NEVER but...) with the scientific method and it always comes back to faith. I guess some have to try and push the argument to give it validity or maybe it's a competition of some type.
    Odd as is sounds, we agree.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Neither can the big bang or solar system formation be "tested, observed, or replicated," I sure hope nobody tries to replicate it, GOOD GOD!
    These theories are subject to being falsified. The common description of God as omnipotent and omniscient renders God unable to be falsified--there's no potential experiment which could theoretically prove God did not exist.

    On the other hand there are things which could prove that some of these scientific theories were inaccurate or false.
    For example if gravitational constant were found to be radically different from what it is, that could show that the theories about the formation of celestial bodies were way off.

    But for God, there's not any conclusive test possible that could falsify the claim that God exists.
    Until such time, God is not a scientific concept. As such any theory which relies upon God, cannot be a scientific theory.
    I may be wrong.

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