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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    According to this definition ID could well be a scientific theory.

    Systematic ideational structure of broad scope, conceived by the human imagination, that encompasses a family of empirical (experiential) laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is a structure suggested by these laws and is devised to explain them in a scientifically rational manner.

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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    According to this definition ID could well be a scientific theory.

    Systematic ideational structure of broad scope, conceived by the human imagination, that encompasses a family of empirical (experiential) laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is a structure suggested by these laws and is devised to explain them in a scientifically rational manner.

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    ID is not a scientific theory as it cannot be tested, observed, or replicated.

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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Even then, only so far as subscription is universal.

    It was once a 'fact' that the earth was flat.
    No, it was never a fact, it was a belief and it was wrong. Facts exist outside of human belief.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ID is not a scientific theory as it cannot be tested, observed, or replicated.
    Guess you missed the part where I said "according to this definition". The definition I posted said nothing about tested or replicated. ID does fit this definition, it is conceived by human imagination and it observes regularities, it also puts forth a structure to explain these regularities in a scientific manner. The bar for meeting the standards of scientific theory is really rather low.

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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    According to this definition ID could well be a scientific theory.

    Systematic ideational structure of broad scope, conceived by the human imagination, that encompasses a family of empirical (experiential) laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is a structure suggested by these laws and is devised to explain them in a scientifically rational manner.

    Scientific theory | Define Scientific theory at Dictionary.com
    Theory? Yes. Scientific? Not really. Can't be empirically tested or observed for.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Guess you missed the part where I said "according to this definition". The definition I posted said nothing about tested or replicated. ID does fit this definition, it is conceived by human imagination and it observes regularities, it also puts forth a structure to explain these regularities in a scientific manner. The bar for meeting the standards of scientific theory is really rather low.
    Looks like you didn't comprehend your own definition, sawyer.

    that encompasses a family of empirical (experiential) laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited.
    is devised to explain them in a scientifically rational manner.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Looks like you didn't comprehend your own definition, sawyer.
    I comprehend it just do so differently than you do. Here is more things to consider on this, it's really an interesting subject.


    LAW

    1) An empirical generalization; a statement of a biological principle that appears to be without exception at the time it is made, and has become consolidated by repeated successful testing; rule (Lincoln et al., 1990)

    2) A theoretical principle deduced from particular facts, applicable to a defined group or class of phenomena, and expressible by a statement that a particular phenomenon always occurs if certain conditions be present (Oxford English Dictionary as quoted in Futuyma, 1979).

    3) A set of observed regularities expressed in a concise verbal or mathematical statement. (Krimsley, 1995).



    THEORY

    1) The grandest synthesis of a large and important body of information about some related group of natural phenomena (Moore, 1984)

    2) A body of knowledge and explanatory concepts that seek to increase our understanding ("explain") a major phenomenon of nature (Moore, 1984).

    3) A scientifically accepted general principle supported by a substantial body of evidence offered to provide an explanation of observed facts and as a basis for future discussion or investigation (Lincoln et al., 1990).

    4) 1. The abstract principles of a science as distinguished from basic or applied science. 2. A reasonable explanation or assumption advanced to explain a natural phenomenon but lacking confirming proof (Steen, 1971). [NB: I don't like this one but I include it to show you that even in "Science dictionaries" there is variation in definitions which leads to confusion].

    5) A scheme or system of ideas or statements held as an explanation or account of a group of facts or phenomena; a hypothesis that has been confirmed or established by observation or experiment, and is propounded or accepted as accounting for the known facts; a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles or causes of something known or observed. (Oxford English Dictionary, 1961; [emphasis added]).

    6) An explanation for an observation or series of observations that is substantiated by a considerable body of evidence (Krimsley, 1995).

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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, it was never a fact, it was a belief and it was wrong. Facts exist outside of human belief.
    And hence exterior to even consciousness? I think not. Such facts as exist, are ones defined both by ourselves, and the means we contrive to both measure and label them. A belief becomes more than that, where it goes goes uncontested. Especially where no one believes otherwise.

    We now know it was never a fact. Previously, we knew nothing else. It was accepted as fact.

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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ID is not a scientific theory as it cannot be tested, observed, or replicated.
    Neither can the big bang or solar system formation be "tested, observed, or replicated," I sure hope nobody tries to replicate it, GOOD GOD!

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    Re: Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

    I can't answer it either way, to me it is more complicated than that. I think the closer we are to unlocking the secrets to the universe the closer we are to literally finding God. I think God won't be what most would think of, but an actual force of nature that can at least be partially explained by modern science.
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