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Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

Is intelligent Design a scientific theory?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 4.7%
  • no

    Votes: 61 95.3%

  • Total voters
    64
ID may or may not be crap. There is no way to prove that one way or another.

You're right. Which is why it shouldn't be taught in schools. It's a religious question at best.
 
I believe it is creationism and religious doctrine should not be taught in our schools.
It depends upon how you mean the question.

Is there proof that certain processes in nature proceed with regularity and established patterns? Yes.

Is this proof of what everyone would accept as there being a god? No.
 
Define "truth". Certainly, there is absolute fact.
Even then, only so far as subscription is universal.

It was once a 'fact' that the earth was flat.
 
Based on that, let me ask you a very simple question. I will be honest and warn up-front that if you are an irrational human being, your answer will reveal this fact about you. Now, here is the question:

Does absolute truth exist?

It is a very simply question, and the answer you give will reveal a lot about you. It also just might set you on a course that you had no idea you'd be on today! The beautiful thing about this question is that there is no cunning way around it. It is not a question that can be out witted. There's really no way to dance around the question, either.

You might find that it is one of the most beautiful questions you could ever ask an atheist!
"If it's truth you're looking for, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall."
- Indiana Jones

:)
 
"If it's truth you're looking for, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall."
- Indiana Jones

:)
lulz ......................
 
According to this definition ID could well be a scientific theory.

Systematic ideational structure of broad scope, conceived by the human imagination, that encompasses a family of empirical (experiential) laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is a structure suggested by these laws and is devised to explain them in a scientifically rational manner.

Scientific theory | Define Scientific theory at Dictionary.com
 
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According to this definition ID could well be a scientific theory.

Systematic ideational structure of broad scope, conceived by the human imagination, that encompasses a family of empirical (experiential) laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is a structure suggested by these laws and is devised to explain them in a scientifically rational manner.

Scientific theory | Define Scientific theory at Dictionary.com

ID is not a scientific theory as it cannot be tested, observed, or replicated.
 
Even then, only so far as subscription is universal.

It was once a 'fact' that the earth was flat.

No, it was never a fact, it was a belief and it was wrong. Facts exist outside of human belief.
 
ID is not a scientific theory as it cannot be tested, observed, or replicated.

Guess you missed the part where I said "according to this definition". The definition I posted said nothing about tested or replicated. ID does fit this definition, it is conceived by human imagination and it observes regularities, it also puts forth a structure to explain these regularities in a scientific manner. The bar for meeting the standards of scientific theory is really rather low.
 
According to this definition ID could well be a scientific theory.

Systematic ideational structure of broad scope, conceived by the human imagination, that encompasses a family of empirical (experiential) laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is a structure suggested by these laws and is devised to explain them in a scientifically rational manner.

Scientific theory | Define Scientific theory at Dictionary.com

Theory? Yes. Scientific? Not really. Can't be empirically tested or observed for.
 
Guess you missed the part where I said "according to this definition". The definition I posted said nothing about tested or replicated. ID does fit this definition, it is conceived by human imagination and it observes regularities, it also puts forth a structure to explain these regularities in a scientific manner. The bar for meeting the standards of scientific theory is really rather low.

Looks like you didn't comprehend your own definition, sawyer.

that encompasses a family of empirical (experiential) laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited.

is devised to explain them in a scientifically rational manner.
 
Looks like you didn't comprehend your own definition, sawyer.

I comprehend it just do so differently than you do. Here is more things to consider on this, it's really an interesting subject.


LAW

1) An empirical generalization; a statement of a biological principle that appears to be without exception at the time it is made, and has become consolidated by repeated successful testing; rule (Lincoln et al., 1990)

2) A theoretical principle deduced from particular facts, applicable to a defined group or class of phenomena, and expressible by a statement that a particular phenomenon always occurs if certain conditions be present (Oxford English Dictionary as quoted in Futuyma, 1979).

3) A set of observed regularities expressed in a concise verbal or mathematical statement. (Krimsley, 1995).



THEORY

1) The grandest synthesis of a large and important body of information about some related group of natural phenomena (Moore, 1984)

2) A body of knowledge and explanatory concepts that seek to increase our understanding ("explain") a major phenomenon of nature (Moore, 1984).

3) A scientifically accepted general principle supported by a substantial body of evidence offered to provide an explanation of observed facts and as a basis for future discussion or investigation (Lincoln et al., 1990).

4) 1. The abstract principles of a science as distinguished from basic or applied science. 2. A reasonable explanation or assumption advanced to explain a natural phenomenon but lacking confirming proof (Steen, 1971). [NB: I don't like this one but I include it to show you that even in "Science dictionaries" there is variation in definitions which leads to confusion].

5) A scheme or system of ideas or statements held as an explanation or account of a group of facts or phenomena; a hypothesis that has been confirmed or established by observation or experiment, and is propounded or accepted as accounting for the known facts; a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles or causes of something known or observed. (Oxford English Dictionary, 1961; [emphasis added]).

6) An explanation for an observation or series of observations that is substantiated by a considerable body of evidence (Krimsley, 1995).

Scientific Laws and Theories
 
No, it was never a fact, it was a belief and it was wrong. Facts exist outside of human belief.
And hence exterior to even consciousness? I think not. Such facts as exist, are ones defined both by ourselves, and the means we contrive to both measure and label them. A belief becomes more than that, where it goes goes uncontested. Especially where no one believes otherwise.

We now know it was never a fact. Previously, we knew nothing else. It was accepted as fact.
 
ID is not a scientific theory as it cannot be tested, observed, or replicated.

Neither can the big bang or solar system formation be "tested, observed, or replicated," I sure hope nobody tries to replicate it, GOOD GOD!
 
I can't answer it either way, to me it is more complicated than that. I think the closer we are to unlocking the secrets to the universe the closer we are to literally finding God. I think God won't be what most would think of, but an actual force of nature that can at least be partially explained by modern science.
 
Guess you missed the part where I said "according to this definition". The definition I posted said nothing about tested or replicated. ID does fit this definition, it is conceived by human imagination and it observes regularities, it also puts forth a structure to explain these regularities in a scientific manner. The bar for meeting the standards of scientific theory is really rather low.

no, they are quite high...and ID miserably fails to meet these standards.
 
I comprehend it just do so differently than you do. Here is more things to consider on this, it's really an interesting subject.


LAW

1) An empirical generalization; a statement of a biological principle that appears to be without exception at the time it is made, and has become consolidated by repeated successful testing; rule (Lincoln et al., 1990)

2) A theoretical principle deduced from particular facts, applicable to a defined group or class of phenomena, and expressible by a statement that a particular phenomenon always occurs if certain conditions be present (Oxford English Dictionary as quoted in Futuyma, 1979).

3) A set of observed regularities expressed in a concise verbal or mathematical statement. (Krimsley, 1995).



THEORY

1) The grandest synthesis of a large and important body of information about some related group of natural phenomena (Moore, 1984)

2) A body of knowledge and explanatory concepts that seek to increase our understanding ("explain") a major phenomenon of nature (Moore, 1984).

3) A scientifically accepted general principle supported by a substantial body of evidence offered to provide an explanation of observed facts and as a basis for future discussion or investigation (Lincoln et al., 1990).

4) 1. The abstract principles of a science as distinguished from basic or applied science. 2. A reasonable explanation or assumption advanced to explain a natural phenomenon but lacking confirming proof (Steen, 1971). [NB: I don't like this one but I include it to show you that even in "Science dictionaries" there is variation in definitions which leads to confusion].

5) A scheme or system of ideas or statements held as an explanation or account of a group of facts or phenomena; a hypothesis that has been confirmed or established by observation or experiment, and is propounded or accepted as accounting for the known facts; a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles or causes of something known or observed. (Oxford English Dictionary, 1961; [emphasis added]).

6) An explanation for an observation or series of observations that is substantiated by a considerable body of evidence (Krimsley, 1995).

Scientific Laws and Theories

Yeah...and ID fails to meet the majority of those standards.
 
Neither can the big bang or solar system formation be "tested, observed, or replicated," I sure hope nobody tries to replicate it, GOOD GOD!

The effects of what is theorized to be the big bang can be observed. Don't get me wrong, it's still a theory and far from being fact, but it's the best current paradigm for the observations astronomers are currently making about the universe.
 
intelligent design is not scientific but a religious way of explaining the existence of universe but it also doesnt contradict scientific findings.
 
Neither can the big bang or solar system formation be "tested, observed, or replicated," I sure hope nobody tries to replicate it, GOOD GOD!

wrong.

the results and even residual energy from the Big Bang can indeed be observed.

notice that static on your tv between channels? that's residual energy from the Big Bang.
 
Guess you missed the part where I said "according to this definition". The definition I posted said nothing about tested or replicated. ID does fit this definition, it is conceived by human imagination and it observes regularities, it also puts forth a structure to explain these regularities in a scientific manner. The bar for meeting the standards of scientific theory is really rather low.

From the same site:

In science a theory is a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation.

Scientific theory | Learn everything there is to know about Scientific theory at Reference.com
 
Big Bang.

You just know someone's adapted the theory for porn at some point.
 
That's how I feel about poetry.

Pretty sure "poetry" is taught in classes tied to literature and the English language. Not ... you know.. classes which are on a entirely different frequency.
 
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