View Poll Results: Should Jose Manuel Godinez-Samperio be allowed to become a US lawyer?

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    Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    There's an article about this here:
    U.S. News - Can an illegal immigrant become a lawyer?

    In short, this man, Jose Manuel Godinez-Samperio, came to the US from Mexico when he was 9. He graduated high school, college, and law school, and he's passed his state bar. Now he's having trouble becoming a lawyer because of his immigration status. For more details, read the article. Vote on whether you think he should be allowed to become a lawyer in the US.

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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    So - why can't he become a citizen first and then go be a lawyer?

    If he's smart - and has gone through the education system - doing so shouldn't be too complicated. Makes no sense ot me to have someoen become a lawyer if they themselves don't want to follow the rules and do things the right way - makes me question *how* he's lawyer for people.
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    an illegal immigrant becoming a lawyer is irony.a lawyer is supposed to understand law,and how can they be a person who understands law and represents others over cases of law when he cant obey the law himself?

    it would probably be smart for him to try for citizenship,atleast to get legal resident status if not citizenship.
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    As long as he is an illegal he should be deported. He is no different than someone who is here illegally to any other job that a corrupt employer will hire an illegal for.
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    As long as he is an illegal he should be deported. He is no different than someone who is here illegally to any other job that a corrupt employer will hire an illegal for.
    Would you be willing to cut him more slack because he came here when he was only 9? Seems like the breaking of the law wasn't really his doing, but was his parents'. It's hard to imagine an 9 year-old saying, "Hey, mom, we can't do this. It's illegal."

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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Yeah! He's just taking a job that Americans don't want to do.

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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Would you be willing to cut him more slack because he came here when he was only 9? Seems like the breaking of the law wasn't really his doing, but was his parents'. It's hard to imagine an 9 year-old saying, "Hey, mom, we can't do this. It's illegal."
    If he went through college and law school, he reached a point where he was culpabable on his own to decide to remain here illegally or leave.

    I feel and empathize for the guy. The sad fact is that like many things that our government is forced to deal with.....from war, to incarceration, to immigration enforcement, and even tax collection...the general action is one that is negative for the people involved and when you look on an individual case by case basis you're going to come upon examples where your heart goes out for the people because it just doesn't feel right. I think most Americans, by and large, are decent good people who both want to be happy and want to see other's happy. The story of this guy, on it's own, is a sad one for a variety of reasons. That said, you can't look at a macro policy decision on such a micro example. Unfortunately for him, under the current law, no he shouldn't be able to become a lawyer. As a guy studying law, he should've known that was a potential consequence from very early on, but he made his choice to try for it anyways. Again, his choice. If you're asking in general, on a personal level, would I want the guy to be able to become a lawyer or get cut some slack? Sure. But I understand, and agree, with the notion that the federal government needs to be consistent and needs to uphold it's laws and this countries soveriegnty.

    It's people like him that are why I do think we need to take action in terms of immigration. First with significantly securing our southern border. Second by tightening enforcement in terms of employers and aliens, using state and local forces to assist. Third, after it's clear one and two are under way, looking for a means of dealing with those still in this country. At that point, if security and enforcement is actually going on, I'd be open to the idea of allowing some (not a blanket all) to have a pathway to citizenship without leaving the country. However I would not agree to the third step till the first two are significantly under way. We need to stop the flow in first, then we need to remove the incentive to come/stay, and then and only then can we look at those who remain and determine what the best course of action would be. In such a scenario, being brought here as a child and having a college education, I would suggest that this individual would be the type that should be able to have a pathway to citizenship. However, under our current laws, he is unfortunately a sad story in an unfortunate necessity.

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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    We need to deport him. America has enough lawyers

    On a serious note, I think some leniency should be shown to children that were forced to come here illegally with their parents. I think he should be deported and made to apply for legal residency like everyone else. Let him keep his law degree and eligibility to apply for his license, but he shouldn't allowed to circumvent the law and unfairly disadvantage others who try to come here legally.
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Would you be willing to cut him more slack because he came here when he was only 9? Seems like the breaking of the law wasn't really his doing, but was his parents'. It's hard to imagine an 9 year-old saying, "Hey, mom, we can't do this. It's illegal."
    Yeah, I agree with you here. But what bothers me is that this guy wasn't smart enough to know this was going to be a problem for him if he chose the legal profession. It's like it just put a target on his back.

    I don't know, maybe his reasoning for doing this, in part, was to show that sometimes amnesty is the exact right decision. 'Cause, in this case, I think amnesty is appropriate. These are exactly the kind of immigrants we should be happy to welcome here.
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    If this person had come from Mexico, studied and graduated with a F1 student Visa, he would most likely
    find a sponsor and get a work Visa. (people with doctorate degrees usually can get sponsored.)
    The state paid for much of his education, they might as well benefit from his higher amount of taxes paid.
    One of the main reasons states subsidize higher education, is because educated people pay more taxes.

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