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Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

Should Jose Manuel Godinez-Samperio be allowed to become a US lawyer?


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Agreed. But most don't even bother.
My husbands best friend was so proud the day he and his wife went to Los Angeles to be deemed United States Citizens. They both worked so hard to learn the language, put meals on their table, pay their taxes while going through the legalities. And we were so proud along with them.
He comes over often to visit because hubby is now retired, but Antonio is still working 3 jobs although his now large family is grown and have families of their own. He says nothing pisses him off more than for someone to claim they "no speak english" when they have ample opportunity to learn it. Heck, he still asks us what something may mean if he is confused. So he is still learning himself.

It is people like Antonio and his wife that should be given every opportunity to expand on their needs to become citizens. They are good people. And they did the right thing. They didn't ask for a handout. They worked for what they have and are now citizens of the United States Of America. He beams whenever he says that. We beam with him.

That's a touching story, Enola, but I really have to say that the narrative of illegal aliens as parasites who use public resources without paying for them is overly simplistic, as I pointed out earlier. Except for the drug cartel operatives and gang members, most are just regular folks trying to get by because they had absolutely no opportunities in the ****ty country they left. It's just my personal opinion that everyone who's saying that illegals should be deported and should "go to the end of the line," that policy isn't a particularly effective or pragmatic way to solve the problem.
 
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As for the OP, I believe the most sensible thing would be for him to obtain some sort of legal/immigration status and allow him to begin his practice.
 
Wants to become a lawyer and is yet an illegal immigrant, which is breaking the law ? Kind of ironic.
 
That's a touching story, Enola, but I really have to say that the narrative of illegal aliens as parasites who use public resources without paying for them is overly simplistic, as I pointed out earlier. Except for the drug cartel operatives and gang members, most are just regular folks trying to get by because they had absolutely no opportunities in the ****ty country they left. It's just my personal opinion that everyone who's saying that illegals should be deported and should "go to the end of the line," that policy isn't a particularly effective or pragmatic way to solve the problem.

You know...I agree with you. Because you are correct. What if Antonio had to go to the end of the line?
I don't remember who said it in this thread, but the gangbangers and stuff? Out. The regular folks? Give them some kind of chance. But they have to TAKE that chance, yes? Not mess around.
 
Yes, he should have to straighten out his immigrant status before being allowed to practice law. No, he should not be deported in the mean-time.
 
Yes, he should have to straighten out his immigrant status before being allowed to practice law. No, he should not be deported in the mean-time.

Within a time limit. He should have started the proceedings long ago. Most should have. So a time limit should be given for those who are already here and established. If they don't, then they must be deported.
 
So wait... it's alright to execute foreign citizens but it's not okay to make them lawyers?
 
Huh? I'm lost.

Texas executes illegal immigrant after President Obama says "hol - kcentv.com - KCEN HD - Waco, Temple, and Killeen

Leal moved with his family from Monterrey, Mexico, to the U.S. as a toddler. Police never told Leal following his arrest that he could seek legal assistance from the Mexican government under an international treaty and his case had prompted appeals on what it could mean for other foreigners arrested in the U.S. and for Americans detained in other countries. His appeals lawyers said such assistance would have helped his defense.

We can't have it both ways. Either the length of time spent in the US counts or it doesn't.
 
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He should have been deported to a mexican jail and trial for the murder of a united states citizen. However, since he was here illegally, and committed a crime of murder, does that not give us the right to punish him according to our laws?

Sorry...brain is not very sharp right now. I took a pain pill and boy did it kick in.
 
This law is illegal, let the man be. :mrgreen:
 
Texas executes illegal immigrant after President Obama says "hol - kcentv.com - KCEN HD - Waco, Temple, and Killeen



We can't have it both ways. Either the length of time spent in the US counts or it doesn't.

The length of time is irrelevant. What matters if the fact he committed a crime in the US.So it doesn't matter if he has been here 20 years and raped and murdered a girl or if he was here for a week and raped and murdered a girl, he should be punished according to our laws.
 
If This young man knew the law well enough, he should be able to find a way to become legal.
The simple answer, would be to drive to the Mexican border, get a student Visa, and sign up for one class.
then find an H1 sponsor. When I worked at a university, our south Asian students, used to drive from Houston
to Mexico, to renew their student visas(They cannot be renewed in the US, but their consulate in Mexico can)
He may have issues getting into Mexico, as he does not have a passport.

Another Choice would be to sign up with the Military, I think that is still a path to permanent residency.
 
So wait... it's alright to execute foreign citizens but it's not okay to make them lawyers?

Only if the foreign citizen brutally rapes a child and then bashes her skull in with a rock (or commits similar atrocities). I swear...for a smart man you sometimes come up with the most idiotic comparative arguments in this board.
 
That's a touching story, Enola, but I really have to say that the narrative of illegal aliens as parasites who use public resources without paying for them is overly simplistic, as I pointed out earlier. Except for the drug cartel operatives and gang members, most are just regular folks trying to get by because they had absolutely no opportunities in the ****ty country they left. It's just my personal opinion that everyone who's saying that illegals should be deported and should "go to the end of the line," that policy isn't a particularly effective or pragmatic way to solve the problem.

I agree the just "kick them out" mantra is silly and so is the "go to the back of the line" or "make them go home then come back with work visas" idea. Fact is they are here and we not only allowed it but in many ways encouraged it and certainly some people have profited from it. There are much more honest, compassionate, and simple solutions to the problem.

I disagree with anyone that thinks we need to increase or streamline the process. We have millions coming into this country legally. There needs to be controlled immigration based on several factors but most importantly based on what the country and economy can sustain.
 
Fact is they are here and we not only allowed it but in many ways encouraged it and certainly some people have profited from it.
Yes, "we" did encourage it -- "we" unscrupulous business owners and "we" amnesty agitators and "we" political power-players.

Of course, that "we" excludes the overwhelming vast majority of America's citizens who weren't encouraging them to come here, wouldn't surprise me if the percentage was close to 98%-99% of America's citizens excluded in that "we" count, nearly all who are greatly opposed to illegal immigration. But who's counting, right? Reality just gets in the way of a good ideological ploy.


There are much more honest, compassionate, and simple solutions to the problem.
Exactly.

I'm just too personally sympathetic to recommend rounding them all up and deporting them.

They simply need to just leave on their own, encourging them to do so by eliminating all but emergency life-saving services from illegals.

That would be the more honest and compassionate simple solution for America's citizens whose jobs they've stolen.
 
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I agree the just "kick them out" mantra is silly and so is the "go to the back of the line" or "make them go home then come back with work visas" idea. Fact is they are here and we not only allowed it but in many ways encouraged it and certainly some people have profited from it..

We didn't encourage anything.It was a handful of dishonest businesses hiring illegals and it is a handful of pro-illegal politicians trying to toss the salad of handful of people who harbor and aid illegals.

There are much more honest, compassionate, and simple solutions to the problem.

The compassion route will only screw us in regards to dealing with illegals.
I disagree with anyone that thinks we need to increase or streamline the process. We have millions coming into this country legally. There needs to be controlled immigration based on several factors but most importantly based on what the country and economy can sustain

I agree with that.
 
Citizenship is not a prerequisite to practice law in this country. And there's really no need for it to be. This man is clearly motivated and intelligent and brings the country up by being in it. Why would we want to get rid of him?
 
If This young man knew the law well enough, he should be able to find a way to become legal.
The simple answer, would be to drive to the Mexican border, get a student Visa, and sign up for one class.
then find an H1 sponsor. When I worked at a university, our south Asian students, used to drive from Houston
to Mexico, to renew their student visas(They cannot be renewed in the US, but their consulate in Mexico can)
He may have issues getting into Mexico, as he does not have a passport.




Another Choice would be to sign up with the Military, I think that is still a path to permanent residency.



There was far more illegals running over the border for years...<it slowed recently because of our economy> there were so many illegals pouring in here their totals far exceeded the percentage that would be allowed citizenship theres yearly quotas I believe...
 
Yes, "we" did encourage it -- "we" unscrupulous business owners and "we" amnesty agitators and "we" political power-players.

Of course, that "we" excludes the overwhelming vast majority of America's citizens who weren't encouraging them to come here, wouldn't surprise me if the percentage was close to 98%-99% of America's citizens excluded in that "we" count, nearly all who are greatly opposed to illegal immigration. But who's counting, right? Reality just gets in the way of a good ideological ploy.



Exactly.

I'm just too personally sympathetic to recommend rounding them all up and deporting them.

They simply need to just leave on their own, encourging them to do so by eliminating all but emergency life-saving services from illegals.

That would be the more honest and compassionate simple solution for America's citizens whose jobs they've stolen.
You forgot to include the 'we' small business owners and the 'we' individuals and families that employ cheap illegal immigrant labor.
 
You forgot to include the 'we' small business owners and the 'we' individuals and families that employ cheap illegal immigrant labor.
No, I forgot nothing.

Both of your categories here come under the heading of "unscrupulous business owners" that I presented.

It doesn't matter if the business is a 1,000-employee corporation or a two-person operation.

And, in point of accuracy, a "family" doesn't employ illegals, as you imply. A family of five, two parents and three kids, let's say, does not employ an illegal. Only one or both parents are the proprietors of that business arrangement. Leave the innocent kids out of it.

The percentage of people who encouaged illegal immigrants to come here is not changed: between one and two percent at best.

The rest of us never wanted them here .. and the great majority of us wish they would leave.
 
Citizenship is not a prerequisite to practice law in this country.
And there's really no need for it to be.

If your going to practice law then the first thing you should do is obey the law.That man is here illegally,therefore he is breaking the law and who knows how many additional laws he is already breaking.

This man is clearly motivated and intelligent and brings the country up by being in it.

If he was that intelligent then he would be here on a visa trying to become an American citizen.

Why would we want to get rid of him?

He is here illegally. I do not give a damn why he is here for. Besides that I do not think it matters to you pro-illegals what profession he has.
 
Citizenship is not a prerequisite to practice law in this country. And there's really no need for it to be. This man is clearly motivated and intelligent and brings the country up by being in it. Why would we want to get rid of him?
I believe that there is more to being a citizen of our country than albeit the important functions of being accountable for our country's actions, responsibly standing up for our country’s interests, and exercising our authority to decide our country's direction via assembly and the voting booth. I also believe that our condition of citizenship inherently entitles us to enjoy the associated benefits rightly afforded to citizens, and that no political interest, foreign or domestic, should ever be allowed to unjustly infringe upon the general welfare or the pursuit of happiness of any U.S. citizen for any reason.
 
Um, no one has mentioned that the potential of an illegal alien lawyer could in principal become a Judge. What then if we allow an illegal immigrant practicing law then what about as a practicing Judge?
 
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