View Poll Results: Should Jose Manuel Godinez-Samperio be allowed to become a US lawyer?

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  • Yes, he's met the academic requirements. Now he can work on his immigration status.

    10 27.03%
  • No. Despite his impressive achievements, he's illegal and should be deported.

    21 56.76%
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Yes, "we" did encourage it -- "we" unscrupulous business owners and "we" amnesty agitators and "we" political power-players.

    Of course, that "we" excludes the overwhelming vast majority of America's citizens who weren't encouraging them to come here, wouldn't surprise me if the percentage was close to 98%-99% of America's citizens excluded in that "we" count, nearly all who are greatly opposed to illegal immigration. But who's counting, right? Reality just gets in the way of a good ideological ploy.



    Exactly.

    I'm just too personally sympathetic to recommend rounding them all up and deporting them.

    They simply need to just leave on their own, encourging them to do so by eliminating all but emergency life-saving services from illegals.

    That would be the more honest and compassionate simple solution for America's citizens whose jobs they've stolen.
    You forgot to include the 'we' small business owners and the 'we' individuals and families that employ cheap illegal immigrant labor.

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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You forgot to include the 'we' small business owners and the 'we' individuals and families that employ cheap illegal immigrant labor.
    No, I forgot nothing.

    Both of your categories here come under the heading of "unscrupulous business owners" that I presented.

    It doesn't matter if the business is a 1,000-employee corporation or a two-person operation.

    And, in point of accuracy, a "family" doesn't employ illegals, as you imply. A family of five, two parents and three kids, let's say, does not employ an illegal. Only one or both parents are the proprietors of that business arrangement. Leave the innocent kids out of it.

    The percentage of people who encouaged illegal immigrants to come here is not changed: between one and two percent at best.

    The rest of us never wanted them here .. and the great majority of us wish they would leave.
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Citizenship is not a prerequisite to practice law in this country.
    And there's really no need for it to be.
    If your going to practice law then the first thing you should do is obey the law.That man is here illegally,therefore he is breaking the law and who knows how many additional laws he is already breaking.

    This man is clearly motivated and intelligent and brings the country up by being in it.
    If he was that intelligent then he would be here on a visa trying to become an American citizen.

    Why would we want to get rid of him?
    He is here illegally. I do not give a damn why he is here for. Besides that I do not think it matters to you pro-illegals what profession he has.
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Citizenship is not a prerequisite to practice law in this country. And there's really no need for it to be. This man is clearly motivated and intelligent and brings the country up by being in it. Why would we want to get rid of him?
    I believe that there is more to being a citizen of our country than albeit the important functions of being accountable for our country's actions, responsibly standing up for our country’s interests, and exercising our authority to decide our country's direction via assembly and the voting booth. I also believe that our condition of citizenship inherently entitles us to enjoy the associated benefits rightly afforded to citizens, and that no political interest, foreign or domestic, should ever be allowed to unjustly infringe upon the general welfare or the pursuit of happiness of any U.S. citizen for any reason.
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Um, no one has mentioned that the potential of an illegal alien lawyer could in principal become a Judge. What then if we allow an illegal immigrant practicing law then what about as a practicing Judge?
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Would you be willing to cut him more slack because he came here when he was only 9? Seems like the breaking of the law wasn't really his doing, but was his parents'. It's hard to imagine an 9 year-old saying, "Hey, mom, we can't do this. It's illegal."
    Well, apparently he is now old enough to understand the law and pass a state bar exam. IE he should know better and correct the problem. Just because he came here via his parents when he was only 9 is irrelevent to the here and now where he is an adult with a full working knowledge of the law.
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