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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    This law is illegal, let the man be.

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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Texas executes illegal immigrant after President Obama says "hol - kcentv.com - KCEN HD - Waco, Temple, and Killeen



    We can't have it both ways. Either the length of time spent in the US counts or it doesn't.
    He brutally raped and murdered a teenage girl in Texas. He was kinda asking for it.
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Texas executes illegal immigrant after President Obama says "hol - kcentv.com - KCEN HD - Waco, Temple, and Killeen



    We can't have it both ways. Either the length of time spent in the US counts or it doesn't.
    The length of time is irrelevant. What matters if the fact he committed a crime in the US.So it doesn't matter if he has been here 20 years and raped and murdered a girl or if he was here for a week and raped and murdered a girl, he should be punished according to our laws.
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    If This young man knew the law well enough, he should be able to find a way to become legal.
    The simple answer, would be to drive to the Mexican border, get a student Visa, and sign up for one class.
    then find an H1 sponsor. When I worked at a university, our south Asian students, used to drive from Houston
    to Mexico, to renew their student visas(They cannot be renewed in the US, but their consulate in Mexico can)
    He may have issues getting into Mexico, as he does not have a passport.

    Another Choice would be to sign up with the Military, I think that is still a path to permanent residency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So wait... it's alright to execute foreign citizens but it's not okay to make them lawyers?
    Only if the foreign citizen brutally rapes a child and then bashes her skull in with a rock (or commits similar atrocities). I swear...for a smart man you sometimes come up with the most idiotic comparative arguments in this board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    That's a touching story, Enola, but I really have to say that the narrative of illegal aliens as parasites who use public resources without paying for them is overly simplistic, as I pointed out earlier. Except for the drug cartel operatives and gang members, most are just regular folks trying to get by because they had absolutely no opportunities in the ****ty country they left. It's just my personal opinion that everyone who's saying that illegals should be deported and should "go to the end of the line," that policy isn't a particularly effective or pragmatic way to solve the problem.
    I agree the just "kick them out" mantra is silly and so is the "go to the back of the line" or "make them go home then come back with work visas" idea. Fact is they are here and we not only allowed it but in many ways encouraged it and certainly some people have profited from it. There are much more honest, compassionate, and simple solutions to the problem.

    I disagree with anyone that thinks we need to increase or streamline the process. We have millions coming into this country legally. There needs to be controlled immigration based on several factors but most importantly based on what the country and economy can sustain.

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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Fact is they are here and we not only allowed it but in many ways encouraged it and certainly some people have profited from it.
    Yes, "we" did encourage it -- "we" unscrupulous business owners and "we" amnesty agitators and "we" political power-players.

    Of course, that "we" excludes the overwhelming vast majority of America's citizens who weren't encouraging them to come here, wouldn't surprise me if the percentage was close to 98%-99% of America's citizens excluded in that "we" count, nearly all who are greatly opposed to illegal immigration. But who's counting, right? Reality just gets in the way of a good ideological ploy.


    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There are much more honest, compassionate, and simple solutions to the problem.
    Exactly.

    I'm just too personally sympathetic to recommend rounding them all up and deporting them.

    They simply need to just leave on their own, encourging them to do so by eliminating all but emergency life-saving services from illegals.

    That would be the more honest and compassionate simple solution for America's citizens whose jobs they've stolen.
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I agree the just "kick them out" mantra is silly and so is the "go to the back of the line" or "make them go home then come back with work visas" idea. Fact is they are here and we not only allowed it but in many ways encouraged it and certainly some people have profited from it..
    We didn't encourage anything.It was a handful of dishonest businesses hiring illegals and it is a handful of pro-illegal politicians trying to toss the salad of handful of people who harbor and aid illegals.

    There are much more honest, compassionate, and simple solutions to the problem.
    The compassion route will only screw us in regards to dealing with illegals.
    I disagree with anyone that thinks we need to increase or streamline the process. We have millions coming into this country legally. There needs to be controlled immigration based on several factors but most importantly based on what the country and economy can sustain
    I agree with that.
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Citizenship is not a prerequisite to practice law in this country. And there's really no need for it to be. This man is clearly motivated and intelligent and brings the country up by being in it. Why would we want to get rid of him?
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    If This young man knew the law well enough, he should be able to find a way to become legal.
    The simple answer, would be to drive to the Mexican border, get a student Visa, and sign up for one class.
    then find an H1 sponsor. When I worked at a university, our south Asian students, used to drive from Houston
    to Mexico, to renew their student visas(They cannot be renewed in the US, but their consulate in Mexico can)
    He may have issues getting into Mexico, as he does not have a passport.




    Another Choice would be to sign up with the Military, I think that is still a path to permanent residency.


    There was far more illegals running over the border for years...<it slowed recently because of our economy> there were so many illegals pouring in here their totals far exceeded the percentage that would be allowed citizenship theres yearly quotas I believe...

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