View Poll Results: Should Jose Manuel Godinez-Samperio be allowed to become a US lawyer?

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  • Yes, he's met the academic requirements. Now he can work on his immigration status.

    10 27.03%
  • No. Despite his impressive achievements, he's illegal and should be deported.

    21 56.76%
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    Agreed. But most don't even bother.
    My husbands best friend was so proud the day he and his wife went to Los Angeles to be deemed United States Citizens. They both worked so hard to learn the language, put meals on their table, pay their taxes while going through the legalities. And we were so proud along with them.
    He comes over often to visit because hubby is now retired, but Antonio is still working 3 jobs although his now large family is grown and have families of their own. He says nothing pisses him off more than for someone to claim they "no speak english" when they have ample opportunity to learn it. Heck, he still asks us what something may mean if he is confused. So he is still learning himself.

    It is people like Antonio and his wife that should be given every opportunity to expand on their needs to become citizens. They are good people. And they did the right thing. They didn't ask for a handout. They worked for what they have and are now citizens of the United States Of America. He beams whenever he says that. We beam with him.
    That's a touching story, Enola, but I really have to say that the narrative of illegal aliens as parasites who use public resources without paying for them is overly simplistic, as I pointed out earlier. Except for the drug cartel operatives and gang members, most are just regular folks trying to get by because they had absolutely no opportunities in the ****ty country they left. It's just my personal opinion that everyone who's saying that illegals should be deported and should "go to the end of the line," that policy isn't a particularly effective or pragmatic way to solve the problem.
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    As for the OP, I believe the most sensible thing would be for him to obtain some sort of legal/immigration status and allow him to begin his practice.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Wants to become a lawyer and is yet an illegal immigrant, which is breaking the law ? Kind of ironic.
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    That's a touching story, Enola, but I really have to say that the narrative of illegal aliens as parasites who use public resources without paying for them is overly simplistic, as I pointed out earlier. Except for the drug cartel operatives and gang members, most are just regular folks trying to get by because they had absolutely no opportunities in the ****ty country they left. It's just my personal opinion that everyone who's saying that illegals should be deported and should "go to the end of the line," that policy isn't a particularly effective or pragmatic way to solve the problem.
    You know...I agree with you. Because you are correct. What if Antonio had to go to the end of the line?
    I don't remember who said it in this thread, but the gangbangers and stuff? Out. The regular folks? Give them some kind of chance. But they have to TAKE that chance, yes? Not mess around.

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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Yes, he should have to straighten out his immigrant status before being allowed to practice law. No, he should not be deported in the mean-time.

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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Yes, he should have to straighten out his immigrant status before being allowed to practice law. No, he should not be deported in the mean-time.
    Within a time limit. He should have started the proceedings long ago. Most should have. So a time limit should be given for those who are already here and established. If they don't, then they must be deported.

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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    So wait... it's alright to execute foreign citizens but it's not okay to make them lawyers?
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So wait... it's alright to execute foreign citizens but it's not okay to make them lawyers?

    Huh? I'm lost.

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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    Huh? I'm lost.
    Texas executes illegal immigrant after President Obama says "hol - kcentv.com - KCEN HD - Waco, Temple, and Killeen

    Leal moved with his family from Monterrey, Mexico, to the U.S. as a toddler. Police never told Leal following his arrest that he could seek legal assistance from the Mexican government under an international treaty and his case had prompted appeals on what it could mean for other foreigners arrested in the U.S. and for Americans detained in other countries. His appeals lawyers said such assistance would have helped his defense.
    We can't have it both ways. Either the length of time spent in the US counts or it doesn't.
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    He should have been deported to a mexican jail and trial for the murder of a united states citizen. However, since he was here illegally, and committed a crime of murder, does that not give us the right to punish him according to our laws?

    Sorry...brain is not very sharp right now. I took a pain pill and boy did it kick in.

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