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  • Yes, he's met the academic requirements. Now he can work on his immigration status.

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  • No. Despite his impressive achievements, he's illegal and should be deported.

    21 56.76%
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    The law should be that if you don't come here legally like all the other immigrants who came here before, then goodbye.
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    The laws are being ignored even by the CIC.
    I worked all my life. I made sure my kid attended school and had a decent lunch while studying but I could not afford college and he didn't want to go anyway. I have paid taxes and at one time, the IRS agent I went to for assistance told me he didn't care if I died or my family died tomorrow...they wanted what was due them. (I had to make a payment plan). I have never asked for or received foodstamps or government assistance. I have suffered from lack of medical care. And I am a citizen of the United States Of America.
    So why does some person that sneaks across the border, pays nothing, takes all they can, get free medical help, schooling, lunches have it better than I ever did even though I paid into the system?

    No second chance. No assistance to become citizens. Send them back across the damn border and make them do what OUR ancestors did.
    The irony of this situation is that if they were given a chance to become documented/legal, they could contribute more.
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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The irony of this situation is that if they were given a chance to become documented/legal, they could contribute more.
    Yet...the lady I read about today has been fighting and speaking in behalf of her community in arizona (she also was dressed as an aztec complete with headdress), has NOT taken her chance given by being here for so long as an ILLEGAL. She still is. So what is her excuse? What is the lawyers excuse? What is all their excuses, those that have been here 15 and more years of being here and using services the rest of us pay for and they don't?

    Try doing this in another country. See where it gets you. (General *you*).
    And I still ask....why is Obama's grandma STILL here? Why are agents catching sneakers daily and shipping them back, but his grandma is still in the USA and her whereabouts are known. Would any mexican be able to stay if they plastered they were here illegally? Nope. They would be collected up immediately.

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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    Yet...the lady I read about today has been fighting and speaking in behalf of her community in arizona (she also was dressed as an aztec complete with headdress), has NOT taken her chance given by being here for so long as an ILLEGAL. She still is. So what is her excuse? What is the lawyers excuse? What is all their excuses, those that have been here 15 and more years of being here and using services the rest of us pay for and they don't?
    I'm not an expert on this situation, but I would surmise that their "excuse" is that they simply don't have a legal path to citizenship at this point.

    Try doing this in another country. See where it gets you. (General *you*).
    And I still ask....why is Obama's grandma STILL here? Why are agents catching sneakers daily and shipping them back, but his grandma is still in the USA and her whereabouts are known. Would any mexican be able to stay if they plastered they were here illegally? Nope. They would be collected up immediately.
    Do you have a source for this? I can't find a source that confirms Obama's grandmother's whereabouts at this time.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The irony of this situation is that if they were given a chance to become documented/legal, they could contribute more.
    I know. To be honest, I'm torn on this one. You'll notice I haven't voted in the poll. It's because I want to know more. What I do know for sure is this: I don't want anyone coming into the country who's an M13 gang member, a member of a drug cartel, a terrorist, or any other kind of violent criminal. This young man doesn't fit into any of those categories. If he's allowed to be an attorney in this country, odds are he'll be a good one. He'll be productive and pay taxes. He's not going to be a danger to the country.

    On the other hand, we are talking about a law that was broken. Maybe he could be an immigration attorney in a border town in Mexico helping people to come her legally. In the meantime he could get the process rolling on coming here legally himself and getting citizenship. I feel some sympathy for this guy. I don't feel any sympathy for gang members or drug smugglers.

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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I know. To be honest, I'm torn on this one. You'll notice I haven't voted in the poll. It's because I want to know more. What I do know for sure is this: I don't want anyone coming into the country who's an M13 gang member, a member of a drug cartel, a terrorist, or any other kind of violent criminal. This young man doesn't fit into any of those categories. If he's allowed to be an attorney in this country, odds are he'll be a good one. He'll be productive and pay taxes. He's not going to be a danger to the country.

    On the other hand, we are talking about a law that was broken. Maybe he could be an immigration attorney in a border town in Mexico helping people to come her legally. In the meantime he could get the process rolling on coming here legally himself and getting citizenship. I feel some sympathy for this guy. I don't feel any sympathy for gang members or drug smugglers.
    Personally, I am in favor of a more open border policy with regard to immigration. (This in no way means that I don't support securing the border from criminal elements or national security threats). But if someone is not a criminal or national security risk, they should be processed and given documents and their path to some form of legal status should be expedited.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Maybe he could be an immigration attorney in a border town in Mexico helping people to come her legally. In the meantime he could get the process rolling on coming here legally himself and getting citizenship.
    What an excellent idea!! I wouldn't be opposed to letting him stay here IF he began the process immediately to become a citizen while he aids others do the same. But would he even consider it?

    I'm sorry SB, I don't have a source. I just read about it somewhere and it struck me as odd that she is still here in the USA. His uncle too, I believe? Whether her whereabouts are known or not....Obama would know, wouldn't he?

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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    What an excellent idea!! I wouldn't be opposed to letting him stay here IF he began the process immediately to become a citizen while he aids others do the same. But would he even consider it?

    I'm sorry SB, I don't have a source. I just read about it somewhere and it struck me as odd that she is still here in the USA. His uncle too, I believe? Whether her whereabouts are known or not....Obama would know, wouldn't he?
    I could not find a credible news source that stated for certain where Obama's uncle and grandmother were staying, or if they are even in the USA at all. I have a hard time believing that if they were here illegally that DHS/INS would not have done something about it already, not to mention that it would probably have already generated a media firestorm beyond just the few internet blog rumors that I've been able to dig up so far.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Personally, I am in favor of a more open border policy with regard to immigration. (This in no way means that I don't support securing the border from criminal elements or national security threats). But if someone is not a criminal or national security risk, they should be processed and given documents and their path to some form of legal status should be expedited.
    Agreed. But most don't even bother.
    My husbands best friend was so proud the day he and his wife went to Los Angeles to be deemed United States Citizens. They both worked so hard to learn the language, put meals on their table, pay their taxes while going through the legalities. And we were so proud along with them.
    He comes over often to visit because hubby is now retired, but Antonio is still working 3 jobs although his now large family is grown and have families of their own. He says nothing pisses him off more than for someone to claim they "no speak english" when they have ample opportunity to learn it. Heck, he still asks us what something may mean if he is confused. So he is still learning himself.

    It is people like Antonio and his wife that should be given every opportunity to expand on their needs to become citizens. They are good people. And they did the right thing. They didn't ask for a handout. They worked for what they have and are now citizens of the United States Of America. He beams whenever he says that. We beam with him.

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    Re: Should this illegal immigrant be allowed to become a lawyer?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I could not find a credible news source that stated for certain where Obama's uncle and grandmother were staying, or if they are even in the USA at all. I have a hard time believing that if they were here illegally that DHS/INS would not have done something about it already, not to mention that it would probably have already generated a media firestorm beyond just the few internet blog rumors that I've been able to dig up so far.
    I don't remember where I read it. Maybe usmb. I wander so much on the net..sometimes quite loaded with pain pills until they kick in enough to make me able to sleep peacefully, unfortunately.
    My apologies for not being able to back up what i said.

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