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    Re: Should America deploy troops to Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Did we have to defend our nation from Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany? Yes. Did we have to defend our nation from Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan, Granada, panama? No.
    Germany was going to invade the US?

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    Re: Should America deploy troops to Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crossroads View Post
    Thats more of a "what should be happening". I would think both China and Russia wouldn't like an Iranian nuclear strike anymore than we would. If we had the Chinese and Russians behind us, I think wiping out Iran and Pakistan would be fairly simple, or at least, a hell of a lot more simple than if it was just mainly the US, like it always is.
    It wouldn't significantly increase or decrease the ease or complexity of the action itself. It just so happens that your "let's let the UN handle it" idea doesn't work so long as China and Russia maintain a seat on the Security Council.

    As you say, it's a "should be happening". But US Policymakers have a duty to view the world as it is rather than as it would be nice if it was.

    Also, although I am fully aware (or at least partially aware) of the UN's failings and problems, I still support the premise of the UN.
    Sure. It let's us spy on other nations, and gives weak angry nations a place to vent. We just shouldn't take it seriously for things that it is not designed to handle well.

    We should have an international group like that, to deal with world wide situations
    Yeah... if only there was some kind of "coalition".... of countries that were "willing" to help deal with international bad actors... some kind of "willing" coalition", or "coalition" of people who are "willing"........

    I really would want to avoid the US gunning it alone, we can't deal with 2 more wars as it is.
    I don't know if we'd be gunning it alone; I"m betting that Israel is easily more worried about this than we are.

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    Re: Should America deploy troops to Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Germany was going to invade the US?
    Are there some talking points somewhere that instructs people to play stupid? This has come up a few times, and it has come up with no one saying Germany was going to invade the US. Japan, a nation (not a group of individuals) did attack Pearl Harbor, killing Americans and attacking American military. Germany did declare war on the US. These facts are in no way comparable to any war after WWII.

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    Re: Should America deploy troops to Syria?

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    Not a complex poll question. No. We should not.


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    Re: Should America deploy troops to Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Germany was going to invade the US?
    Oh, no, since they showed such remarkable restraint, they would surely have stopped their quest for world domination as soon as they had Poland, oh, and maybe France. In fact, if only Chamberlain had continued to appease them, they would have been happy to merely take a benign control of a few European countries and perhaps won their hearts and minds. Why ever would they have invaded the USA? I mean, it's not like they attacked us, that was the Japanese, who, no doubt were sorry and wouldn't have continued to try to conquer the rest of the world.

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    Re: Should America deploy troops to Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It wouldn't significantly increase or decrease the ease or complexity of the action itself. It just so happens that your "let's let the UN handle it" idea doesn't work so long as China and Russia maintain a seat on the Security Council.

    As you say, it's a "should be happening". But US Policymakers have a duty to view the world as it is rather than as it would be nice if it was.



    Sure. It let's us spy on other nations, and gives weak angry nations a place to vent. We just shouldn't take it seriously for things that it is not designed to handle well.



    Yeah... if only there was some kind of "coalition".... of countries that were "willing" to help deal with international bad actors... some kind of "willing" coalition", or "coalition" of people who are "willing"........



    I don't know if we'd be gunning it alone; I"m betting that Israel is easily more worried about this than we are.
    Well, then why do you think Russia and China would be against such an action?

    Maybe a solution would be to let Israeli do most of the heavy lifting. If we could get a real commitment from other major nations, then maybe, but more so than were in Iraq.

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    Re: Should America deploy troops to Syria?

    Beware of "humintarian" causes.

    Remember this photo published in Time magazine?

    The supposed "concentration camps" in Bosnia to bolster U.S. intervention?

    These reports were knowingly falsified so NATO invasion was justified.



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    Re: Should America deploy troops to Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    Beware of "humintarian" causes.

    Remember this photo published in Time magazine?

    The supposed "concentration camps" in Bosnia to bolster U.S. intervention?

    These reports were knowingly falsified so NATO invasion was justified.



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    whatreallyhappened.com???

    seriously?

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    Re: Should America deploy troops to Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Incorrect. Keeping the 5th in the Gulf keeps our economy from collapsing. Let me know if you want the full story on that.

    that being said: they are already there. Picking them up and bringing them home would cost much more than than having them bomb select targets in Syria.
    I can see that I guess. I didn't think that through.

    Despite the horrible cost of thousands of dollars worth of bombs?

    meh, yes and no. You are worried about cost - those things are expensive.
    I am more worried about the cost to the US Soldier...

    you conduct a Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses which wrecks the Syrian Integrated Air Defense System Centers of Gravity, and not only have you made the airspace permissive for ops, but you have effectively degraded Iran's strategic defenses against airstrikes that you already approved - those two are allies, and Syria would warn Iran about any attack it saw first through it's early warning radar.
    I know we can do it... the not so simple part is in should we do it and unintended consequences of yet another war...

    which is why your responses in this thread surprised me. You seemed to be allowing emotional distaste to trump rational analysis.
    In all honesty I think that I was... though I am still not convinced. Then I think about it and I say... **** it. We can and should. I am on the fence about wars and cost versus the reality of the situation. Reality trumps though...

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    Re: Should America deploy troops to Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Are there some talking points somewhere that instructs people to play stupid? This has come up a few times, and it has come up with no one saying Germany was going to invade the US. Japan, a nation (not a group of individuals) did attack Pearl Harbor, killing Americans and attacking American military.
    only in her foriegn pacific bases, where she had set up an imperialist colony. Neither Japan nor Germany was a threat to the United States of America. we fought them because it was right that we kick their a--, not because we were defending ourselves from any kind of invasion.

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