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    Re: Would you go to war to defend the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Absolutely. That presumes, of course, that USA sovereignty or interests abroad (military bases, embassies, ships, etc.) are under attack or significant threat of attack. Pre-emptively invading a country, Iraq, that could in no way harm us significantly based on faulty, deceptive "intelligence" does not fall under that category.
    ..I totally get that... and agree with it ..... but me personally, if Americans are in the fight, i know that's my place.

    now would i send our boys to die in a war that wasn't defensive in nature?.. nope...no can do...what i do and what i make others do is entirely different and decided upon entirely different.

    I learned long ago that my person ideology or beliefs were rather irrelevant to the fight... and yeah, there was some internal conflict there.. but hell, I was born ot fight and all i need is a reason.. not necessary a good reason, or the right reason .... i'm a sick **** like that.

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    Re: Would you go to war to defend the USA?

    war is alot of fun,in the middle of trying not to die everyday you get to discover your true self,and who your real friends are.

    though i dont condone alot of wars out there,someone has to fight them,and not everyone is cut out to do so.besides the physical and mental strain of war,most people cant handle going from their nice house,car,starbucks everyday to living in foxholes,filling sandbags for 18 hours a day,sleeping in a tent with no heater or ac and bugs and snakes constantly finding their way in,and lastly eating mre's,field rations,and god forbid t-rats.i simply would not expect everyone to handle these situations,let alone tolerate them.

    however just because not everyone is cut out for military service and war,does not mean you cant serve your country.everyone should in someway serve their country.if you cant go to war you could run the volunteer fire department,run a soup kitchen,etc.serving your country means to better your country through volunteering to help.
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    Re: Would you go to war to defend the USA?

    Yes, long as the reason is great. If it's a situation like WWII, my butt on the way to basic training.

    If it's like that Middle East business, I'll try to find my way out of it.

    I love my country, but if by any chance I am to die in combat-- it ought to be for a mission anyone can get behind.
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    Re: Would you go to war to defend the USA?

    well that's the real breakdown, isn't it? We've been at war for almost 11 years now. I'd say those who are willing to go, with the exception of those who can't, have.

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    Re: Would you go to war to defend the USA?

    What do you mean by "defend". That has been a very loose word thrown around in the past 30 years.

    Revolutionary War: Yes
    Civil War: Yes
    WW1: No
    WW2: Yes
    Korea War: No
    Vietnam War: **** NO
    1st Gulf War: No
    Afghanistan: **** NO
    Iraq: **** NO

    (Soon to be Iran): Hell to the no


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    Re: Would you go to war to defend the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The State makes it possible for you to live a life relatively free from foreign incursion and invasion, and tries to keep order so that commerce and prosperity and normal life are possible. Also, your State contains your family, neighbors, friends, acquantainces, business associates, customers.... in essense it is your HOME, and
    I don't see it that way. It is, in a sense, your home, but it's also much more impersonal than an actual home. A State can be recreated in ways that one's home cannot. Moreover, your actual home with your family, friends, etc. can moved to another State if war breaks out.

    if you won't defend your home you have no business taking part in governing it.
    Unless there are things bigger than the State.

    For example, if someone considers the ideals that found the United States more important than the actual state, then they would have reason to avoid war, particularly if they believe that they would have a better chance of defending and ensuring the survival of those ideals while alive.

    It seems like your position is based on assuming the state is the highest good and there is no greater idea or thing worthy abandoning it for. I don't agree with that.

    Frankly I think claiming the legal protection of a State and at the same time refusing to defend it against foreign aggression is a hypocritical or cowardly position.
    It might be hypocritical if the legal protection of a State was free. However, it isn't. It's paid for by taxes. It's not as if the State is altruistic entity that takes care of you and tries to keep order while getting nothing from you to do so. The State does all of that because citizens pay for it and because citizens ensure that the State lives up to its end of the bargain.

    Whether it's cowardly is entirely a matter of perspective. It would only be a matter of cowardice if a person chose not to join the war out of a lack of courage. However, people might choose to stay out for reasons that aren't a matter of courage at all. If it is a matter of courage/cowardice, however, I don't share the same seemingly strong opinion of cowardice that you have. I do have disdain for cowardice when people have very little to lose in being courageous, but life is a significant thing to lose so I don't have those emotions in this case.

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    Re: Would you go to war to defend the USA?

    If we were attacked on our own shores, by an actual military force, yes.
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    Re: Would you go to war to defend the USA?

    Defend is an abstract word.

    Defend

    To ward or fend off; to drive back or away; to repel.

    To prohibit; to forbid.

    To repel danger or harm from; to protect; to secure against; attack; to maintain against force

    To ward off attack from; guard against assault or injury

    Resist an attack made on (someone or something); protect from harm or danger:
    For those who feel like their meaning and purpose in life is "to fight", which I would think carries all of the risk of life and limb...have ample opportunity to do so on any given day. After all, Mercenaries are always in demand...and I don't think that anything other than the desire to engage in the pursuit of gain while for putting one's life in harms way is required. I mean I don't think that age, gender, or much anything else matters to those who employ mercenaries.

    The U.S. isn't exactly noted for engaging in wars over self-defense. However, I doubt seriously if it comes down it that anybody in the U.S. would avoid protecting themselves in a "defensive" situation if necessary. That's what people do when their property, families, life and liberty is "infringed on"...no matter what country people or from. Just human nature.

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    Re: Would you go to war to defend the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    I would not go to war for anyone.
    Even if Russia in '42 or France in '41...Or our nation after 12-7-41...Or our nation after 9-11

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    Re: Would you go to war to defend the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    What do you mean by "defend". That has been a very loose word thrown around in the past 30 years.

    Revolutionary War: Yes
    Civil War: Yes
    WW1: No
    WW2: Yes
    Korea War: No
    Vietnam War: **** NO
    1st Gulf War: No
    Afghanistan: **** NO
    Iraq: **** NO

    (Soon to be Iran): Hell to the no
    You missed the wars in Yugoslavia, just sayin'.
    You are right, "defend" is a loose word now that can excuse almost anything. It shouldn't be like that.

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