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    Re: Racism in the USA will probably never go away. Agree/Disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I never claimed it was only the poor who hate.

    The poster I was replying to claimed it was the rich who are hate the poor, the poor who have done no wrong.

    Im sorry, but ignoring the poor, vs. hanging effigies of the rich.

    I'd say hanging shows more hate than ignoring.
    The poster that you responded to said no such thing.
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    Re: Racism in the USA will probably never go away. Agree/Disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That is exactly what I suspect to be the case. I don't think racism is so much taught as it is "unlearned" through experience and teaching. It's not just race, but anything that we see as a difference between ourselves and *others*. I can remember when I was a small child, being afraid of the first black person I recall seeing. My mother had to teach me that the difference was in skin color, and that we are all the same on the inside. I was about three years old at the time. Unfortunately, some kids don't have parents who will teach them these things, so the fearful behavior is allowed to grow into hatred.

    I can't think of anyone whom I hate. There are people that I don't want to hang out with, because they are jerks, but hatred is something that I would reserve only for someone who tried to harm me or mine personally.
    Most racism is based much less upon hatred than upon fear. Indeed, what is hatred if not a psychic concoction of fear and aggression?

    Throughout human history, nearly all instances of popularized racism were originally based upon territorial fears. For example, the KKK drew is rank and file members from poor southern whites who feared being politically and economically displaced by the newly free blacks. The Nazis capitalized upon "Aryan" German fears of being usurped in their own land by an increasingly successful class of German Jews, many of whom were outwardly (and in some cases genetically) indistinguishable from other Germans and could only be identified as Jewish by their birth records. So you see, racism goes beyond mere appearance of race and entails any characteristic which can be labeled or perceived as "different" or "other."
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    Re: Racism in the USA will probably never go away. Agree/Disagree

    As long as people define themselves and others by their race instead of merely it being a description there will be racism.
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    Re: Racism in the USA will probably never go away. Agree/Disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Eliminating racism isn't about eliminating hate. You'll never eliminate hate, and you shouldn't want to-- hate serves a purpose. It's a good thing.

    Eliminating racism is about eliminating race as a standard of assigning human beings into categories. To that end, I would propose first that we eliminate all laws, projects, and programmes that make reference to race,
    REFERRING to the political fiction known as "race" isn't a problem...rather, the problem (legally speaking) are those laws which treat "race" as if it were real.

    Which is -- contrary to the insistence of some folks WHO JUST DON'T GET IT AND AREN'T TRYING TO -- not the same thing as acknowledging that racISM is real.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    and then on a cultural level run a grassroots campaign of voluntary free-spirited reproductive integration.
    Bulworth's plan (which you're referring to here), while fun, misses the point. People having a whole lot more so-called "mixed" children is not a solution, because "race" isn't based in biology in the first place.

    But your core point is central to any possible solution...racISM, at its heart, is about treating the fiction of "race" as if it were real.
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    Re: Racism in the USA will probably never go away. Agree/Disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Of course it will go away. Genetics and interracial marriage will solve the racism problem in the end.
    No, it won't be solved through "interracial" marriage, because "race" isn't genetic in the first place. "Race" mythology points to real phenotype, but posits a completely fictional cause for those phenotypic traits ("race" mythology posits that casually imagined social definitions of different "races" correspond to some ACTUAL difference in genetic material, with matching INTERNAL/hidden traits).

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    When the world has become as "small" as it has then it is inevitable that everyone become the same color/race.
    Biologically we were never different "races" to begin with and still aren't. Insistence to the contrary is the essence of racism.

    If we succeed in defeating racism, it will be through defeating its core mythology -- the notion that "race" is a biological -- rather than socially constructed -- phenomenon.
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    Re: Racism in the USA will probably never go away. Agree/Disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Unfortunately, racism (or should I say territorialism) was tattooed upon the human soul long before the advent of conventional moral precepts and modern social ideologies. 500,000 years ago (and so much more), when technology was very crude and natural resources seemingly scarce and thus violently and vehemently pursued and defended, there was enormous survival value in making very rapid cognitive distinctions between those who are of your clan and those who are not. Those who in anyway appeared different than one's own kind were to be feared and defended against possible encroachment. This was the genesis of what we now deem "racism" and it remains with us to this very day, and will continue to haunt us for as long as we are human in any contemporary understanding of what it means to be human.
    Racism is NOT territorialism, nor is racism just a general instinctive suspicion of outsiders. Racism is a specific, historically contingent ideology of political manufacture. It makes as little sense to claim that racism is some inescapable human fate (because of our well-documented tendency to form in- and out-groups) as it is to claim that speaking North American English is an inescapable human fate (because of our capacity to speak and develop languages).

    Is the general instinct to form socially defined groups and bear some suspicion of outsiders rooted in human biology? Yes. Is racism, specifically, rooted in our biology? Absolutely not.
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    Re: Racism in the USA will probably never go away. Agree/Disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by cmakaioz View Post
    Racism is NOT territorialism, nor is racism just a general instinctive suspicion of outsiders. Racism is a specific, historically contingent ideology of political manufacture.
    Racism is territorialism in disguise. It is "historically contingent" only in the capacity of a pre-existing historical context of territorialism. It is "politically manufactured" for the very purpose of guarding one group's access to natural resources from the encroachment of another group.

    Is the general instinct to form socially defined groups and bear some suspicion of outsiders rooted in human biology? Yes. Is racism, specifically, rooted in our biology? Absolutely not.
    Actually, the instinct is rooted in sociobiology and likely precedes the advent of hominids by eons of evolutionary epochs. Is racism specifically rooted in our biology? Since "race" is more a matter of perception and social context than a fixed biological reality, obviously no.

    Nevertheless, it is what it is (as much as I hate using that expression) and the effect is still the same.
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    Re: Racism in the USA will probably never go away. Agree/Disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Racism in the USA will probably never go away. Agree/Disagree
    Disagree completely. Although I am a cynic in terms of how I feel about human actuality, I am very optimistic about human potential. To me, racism is just another problem and problems have solutions. Moreover, it's solution often just mere experience and education which increases everyday. I think it will go away. It's just a matter of time.

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    Re: Racism in the USA will probably never go away. Agree/Disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Disagree completely. Although I am a cynic in terms of how I feel about human actuality, I am very optimistic about human potential. To me, racism is just another problem and problems have solutions. Moreover, it's solution often just mere experience and education which increases everyday. I think it will go away. It's just a matter of time.
    I think you are mostly correct in your assessment. If correctly understood for what it is, and correctly taught as such, racism can be minimized to a highly successful degree in so an enlightened society. However, the society that uses "racism" as a cheap political device is doomed to suffer the consequences of continued and bitter racism amongst its people.

    Presently, it is still being taught throughout academia, and continued via the idiosyncratic mores of various minority groups, that racism is merely a matter of power wherein one race exerts its political and economic power over other races simply because it can. Thus, the concept of racism is relegated to merely a political and economic construct with no comprehension of its universal sociobiological roots.

    This philosophy is not only incorrect, but it is downright toxic, for it suggests, subliminally, that anyone who can identify as a "minority" is automatically exempt from accusations of racism, regardless of their attitude or behavior. Indeed, such folks abide such instincts with little or no internal mechanism for checking their own racist attitudes and motivations, sensing that they are entitled to act upon such instincts to a degree of license and abandon which people of other races are not so socially entitled, regardless of their socioeconomic station in life, even if it be one considerably less advantaged.
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    Re: Racism in the USA will probably never go away. Agree/Disagree

    Sadly I had to vote agree...but I have HOPE..its alot better than it was 50 yrs ago when I was a kid...hopefully in 50 more it will be that much better...

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