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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Is following someone an aggressive act?

    Simple question, simple answer.

    I don't believe that it is. If it was then police would not be able to legally follow people. Investigators (PI's) would not legally be able to do it. Paparazzi would not be able to do it.
    I voted "Yes," because I know this is about Zimmerman/Martin. I would have been genuinely frightened if I were out walking my dog at night (or during the day) and someone drove slowly behind me in his car...and then exited his car and began following me. If he caught up to me, and I had a gun in my pocket I was licensed to carry, I might have drawn it and held it at my side while I figured out what was going on. If I had a cell phone and no gun? I probably would have called 911.

    If someone follows me on the street, I probably wouldn't even know about it. If someone followed me out of Whole Foods to my car? Then I wouldn't be worried about it. And I'd better not shoot her.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's not nosy to be curious about why someone is following you. It's a part of making a threat assessment. The very fact that you have had a knife pulled on you in such scenarios proves that you are actually making just such an assessment. Fear has nothing to do with it.
    No, I was talking about myself following someone. Not someone following me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Only an idiot would assume that the person following them means them no harm and, based on that assumption, refrain from further investigation.
    That would depend on allot of "if's" at best.

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    Not being an idiot =/= being afraid.
    I was talking about me following as I mentioned.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    If you aren't a shoplifter and you aren't breaking any laws someone following you had got to be perceived as a predator.
    A potential predator, yes. That's just the smart thing to assume.

    But following you doesn't automatically make them a predator. They might be doing it for a lot of non-predatory reasons as well.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The real problem with her post was that she didn't say "potential" before threat. It would be foolish to not assume that some stranger following you is not a potential threat. You were a cop, so I know that you know that's just the smart way to approach things.
    Of course. She unfortunately has a habit of using hyperbole to try and make a point. So again I answered in kind.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No, I was talking about myself following someone. Not someone following me.
    My bad. I compeltel y misunderstodo that exchange. Brain fart of some sort.

    If they turned around and confronted you about following them, would you not think that this was a perfectly reasonable behavior on their part?



    That would depend on allot of "if's" at best.
    NOt really. If a stranger is following you, it would be very stupid to not take precautions.



    I was talking about me following as I mentioned.
    As I asked above, would you think it's unreasonable for someone you are following to confront you about it?
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    A potential predator, yes. That's just the smart thing to assume.

    But following you doesn't automatically make them a predator. They might be doing it for a lot of non-predatory reasons as well.
    Like what? What sort of raving nutter follows people for no reason?

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    A potential predator, yes. That's just the smart thing to assume.

    But following you doesn't automatically make them a predator. They might be doing it for a lot of non-predatory reasons as well.
    I changed directions once or twice in my life to figure out if I knew the person that was walking for an opportunity to catch up, disengaged when I realized it wasn't who I was thinking of. I've had people follow me to return something I dropped and have done so for others as well.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Wait, you're still comparing the average individual to you, a self-described former police officer and security guard. I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but that puts you above the average individuals awareness, confidence, self-defense prepardness, etc. And if you also carry a gun, that puts you even further up the list. Again, can you stop for a moment and discuss the GENERAL notion of someone, other than yourself, (i.e. a majority of people? Most people? Average person?) in the situation.
    What is the average person? This is a country of 300,000,000 people, so what is average? A large proportion has had some kind of self defense training or military experience. So what is average?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    I haven't mentioned legality, and the OP poll doesn't either. There are many improper, bad, unethical things people do, that are not illegal, as I'm sure you know. We're talking risks to ones safety. If some perceives someone else is putting them at risk, they may perceive that as aggressive behavior.
    If they are put "at risk" yes. Simply following someone does not put anyone at risk automatically.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Like what? What sort of raving nutter follows people for no reason?

    I think whats going on here is a disconnect how women react to the feeling of being followed and how men react to it.....Everyone with half a brain knows women are mostly the victims and they have every right to be more sensitive about any feeling of being followed....they had better be

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    From the 911 call, do you think it was suspicious and dangerous for Martin to turn and come angrily towards Zimmerman with Martin putting his hand in his pocket as he did - until he saw and maybe heard Zimmerman on the phone to the police department?

    I think they both made some bad miscalculations. Zimmerman should've listened to dispatch and not gotten out of his vehicle. Martin should have restrained himself from being overly aggressive in confronting Zimmerman about following him. If either man had exercised a little measure of prudence, this may not have happened at all.

    Zimmerman's following of Martin was not prudent and could be construed as suspicious by Martin. However, the key to unraveling the incident, IMO, is the final seconds leading up to the physical fight, and who initiated it. I'd have to have more evidence that Zimmerman was the initiator or escalator of the physical fight before I could convict him of anything other than being imprudent, which is not a crime.

    As it is, without an eyewitness other than Zimmerman, available evidence (Z's testimony, Z's injuries, eyewitness seeing Treyvon on top of Zimmerman beating him) I could not convict Z of anything because of a lack of evidence of criminal wrongdoing. If following someone is a criminal act, then a lot of charity workers, religious tract-givers, brochure passer-outers, raffle-ticket and insurance salesmen, not to mention persons of amorous intent, are guilty too.


    As I said, when I detect someone following me I evade if I can, or confront if I can't. When I confront, I put my back to something safe and loudly inquire why they are following me while they are still a safe distance away. I don't run up on them and attack them without knowing what is going on.

    I personally consider the Zimmerman/Martin case to be a comedy-of-errors with a tragic ending, where both men acted poorly and contributed to the situation.... but from what info I have I don't think there is evidence to convict Z of murder-2nd.

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