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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The key here is the answer to the following question: why, exactly, do you turn around and ask that?
    If you ever lived in NYC and had someone behind you for more than what you would consider a reasonsable distance...a NYC block or two...its inbred to turn around and either say Hey how you doin....you need something....thats an excuse to turn and face whats behind you and assess if theres a threat....its a given in certain areas...

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Feeling threatened by a stranger that is following you is a far cry from being afraid of everything.
    She said and I quote "Anyone who follows people and isn't a cop or a licensed PI should be considered a threat." this would include plain closed officers and most PI's. It is hyperbole, so I responded with such.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Is following someone an aggressive act?

    Simple question, simple answer.

    I don't believe that it is. If it was then police would not be able to legally follow people. Investigators (PI's) would not legally be able to do it. Paparazzi would not be able to do it.

    I don't think I'd say it is an AGGRESSIVE act, but it IS a suspicious act.

    I actively watch for people following me (ex-cop habits). If I think I see someone following me, I will make two 90 degree turns and see if they're still behind me. If so, I assume it is deliberate. I will then either take evasive action or else pick my ground and turn to confront them.

    Old military adage: Once is happenstance, twice may be coincedence, but three times is enemy action. If they follow me through two turns headed back the way we came, it is almost certainly deliberate.


    It may not be hostile; they may want to hand me a religious tract, or ask me if I'd like to subscribe for 12 issues of Useless Magazine, or ask me if I'd like to buy health insurance.... but if I can't avoid them I'm going to find out before they come up behind me.


    Interestingly enough, I once had an incident where I was in a very similar position to Treyvon Martin. I was even wearing a hoodie. (It was cold and windy).

    It was daytime. I was walking back from my sister's house down the road, passing a closed garage building with a parking area in front. I veered into the parking lot a bit as I passed, since there is no sidewalk or curb and I didn't want to be any closer to the passing cars than necessary.

    THAT was apparently enough to qualify as suspicious in the minds of two young men who'd appointed themselves to guard their Uncle's garage, which had been burgled twice in two weeks. One of them stepped out to block my way, while another tried to circle behind me. I saw #2 and placed myself where I could see both men at once. When #2 saw me do this, he stopped and looked at #1.


    What they didn't know: I had a small pistol in the pocket of my hoodie and was pointing at them from inside the pocket.

    #1 started barking questions at me: who was I, what was I doing, etc. I barked back that I was walking down the damn road and it was none of his business. THEN I recognized him as a local, and pushed back my hood so he could see me and recognize me as well, which he did. He explained what they were doing. I told them it was a bad idea, confronting strangers on flimsy suspicions, and went on my way.


    Somebody just about got shot. Could have been me, of course... I don't know what THEY had in THEIR pockets either.

    It could have turned out as a tragic case of misunderstanding ending with one or more dead bodies; I was not pleased to have my way blocked or see someone trying to get behind me, not one bit.


    Following someone is not ILLEGAL, that I know of.... but it IS a suspicious and dangerous thing to do.

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Then it's a pity Trayvon Martin wasn't armed, because he could have legally shot Zimmerman dead on the spot, right?
    Depending on the nature of the fight, yes, he could have.

    But, then, YOU are the one glad Martin wasn't armed, aren't you?

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I was being nosy. I am not afraid of to much, maybe my wife.
    It's not nosy to be curious about why someone is following you. It's a part of making a threat assessment. The very fact that you have had a knife pulled on you in such scenarios proves that you are actually making just such an assessment. Fear has nothing to do with it.

    Only an idiot would assume that the person following them means them no harm and, based on that assumption, refrain from further investigation.

    Not being an idiot =/= being afraid.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I don't think I'd say it is an AGGRESSIVE act, but it IS a suspicious act.

    I actively watch for people following me (ex-cop habits). If I think I see someone following me, I will make two 90 degree turns and see if they're still behind me. If so, I assume it is deliberate. I will then either take evasive action or else pick my ground and turn to confront them.

    Old military adage: Once is happenstance, twice may be coincedence, but three times is enemy action. If they follow me through two turns headed back the way we came, it is almost certainly deliberate.


    It may not be hostile; they may want to hand me a religious tract, or ask me if I'd like to subscribe for 12 issues of Useless Magazine, or ask me if I'd like to buy health insurance.... but if I can't avoid them I'm going to find out before they come up behind me.


    Interestingly enough, I once had an incident where I was in a very similar position to Treyvon Martin. I was even wearing a hoodie. (It was cold and windy).

    It was daytime. I was walking back from my sister's house down the road, passing a closed garage building with a parking area in front. I veered into the parking lot a bit as I passed, since there is no sidewalk or curb and I didn't want to be any closer to the passing cars than necessary.

    THAT was apparently enough to qualify as suspicious in the minds of two young men who'd appointed themselves to guard their Uncle's garage, which had been burgled twice in two weeks. One of them stepped out to block my way, while another tried to circle behind me. I saw #2 and placed myself where I could see both men at once. When #2 saw me do this, he stopped and looked at #1.


    What they didn't know: I had a small pistol in the pocket of my hoodie and was pointing at them from inside the pocket.

    #1 started barking questions at me: who was I, what was I doing, etc. I barked back that I was walking down the damn road and it was none of his business. THEN I recognized him as a local, and pushed back my hood so he could see me and recognize me as well, which he did. He explained what they were doing. I told them it was a bad idea, confronting strangers on flimsy suspicions, and went on my way.


    Somebody just about got shot. Could have been me, of course... I don't know what THEY had in THEIR pockets either.

    It could have turned out as a tragic case of misunderstanding ending with one or more dead bodies; I was not pleased to have my way blocked or see someone trying to get behind me, not one bit.


    Following someone is not ILLEGAL, that I know of.... but it IS a suspicious and dangerous thing to do.
    From the 911 call, do you think it was suspicious and dangerous for Martin to turn and come angrily towards Zimmerman with Martin putting his hand in his pocket as he did - until he saw and maybe heard Zimmerman on the phone to the police department?

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    She said and I quote "Anyone who follows people and isn't a cop or a licensed PI should be considered a threat." this would include plain closed officers and most PI's. It is hyperbole, so I responded with such.
    The real problem with her post was that she didn't say "potential" before threat. It would be foolish to not assume that some stranger following you is not a potential threat. You were a cop, so I know that you know that's just the smart way to approach things.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Then it's a pity Trayvon Martin wasn't armed, because he could have legally shot Zimmerman dead on the spot, right?
    Have to be 18 to legally own a handgun in florida

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It doesn't but that is not the problem here as it is legal.
    I have been followed. I turn around and say can I help you? Only one time was it an issue as the person pulled a knife. I laughed and pulled my badge and handcuffs and he ran. Notice I did not pull a gun?
    Wait, you're still comparing the average individual to you, a self-described former police officer and security guard. I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but that puts you above the average individuals awareness, confidence, self-defense prepardness, etc. And if you also carry a gun, that puts you even further up the list. Again, can you stop for a moment and discuss the GENERAL notion of someone, other than yourself, (i.e. a majority of people? Most people? Average person?) in the situation.

    . So what they perceive has no bearing other than it is not illegal to be followed unless it is repeated behavior.
    I haven't mentioned legality, and the OP poll doesn't either. There are many improper, bad, unethical things people do, that are not illegal, as I'm sure you know. We're talking risks to ones safety. If some perceives someone else is putting them at risk, they may perceive that as aggressive behavior.

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The real problem with her post was that she didn't say "potential" before threat. It would be foolish to not assume that some stranger following you is not a potential threat. You were a cop, so I know that you know that's just the smart way to approach things.
    If you aren't a shoplifter and you aren't breaking any laws someone following you had got to be perceived as a predator.

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